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Those damn lazy immigrants only want to exploit us! We can't accomodate them all!
(I hope it's clear that this is a joke)
If only Europe wanted us there! If moving there were easy, I'd have done it years ago. Unfortunately, I probably need to wait until I retire.
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I'm bitter because I was never well off enough to escape to Europe. Best I could do is maliciously complying with USA capitalism and becoming an anti-consumer
I went as a student (free university!) and managed to stay.
I lived in Italy for two years and would love to go back someday.
I'm approaching the end of a four-year stay in Italy, and I'm considering chaining myself to a fence post or something. The country is a mess, but the quality of life just cannot be beat.
Yeah it's very attractive but not the easiest to obtain citizenship.
That depends a lot of the country. In some EU countries is rather easy and cheap.
As a former EU citizen (UK, thanks Brexit) which countries do you think it is easy? I don't think it is, I believe there is Malta where you can literally buy a passport and Portugal that has some lax visa laws. But gaining citizenship isn't necessarily an easy thing to do.
You are correct with Portugal, I found this on some website:
Portugal is, overall, the easiest country to get citizenship of the EU.
That’s due to the following factors:
Short residency period of just five years before applying for citizenship
One of the world’s most powerful passports
Range of flexible visa options to suit remote workers, retirees and investors
Dual citizenship OK – keep your original passport
Easy language requirements – A2 elementary level
Access generous tax benefits while counting up the years to citizenship
Reasonable minimum stay requirements
What’s more, Portugal has one of Western Europe’s lowest costs of living
Citizenship is easy to get once you already live in the country, not just Portugal, Luxembourg is probably easier even, the language requirement is a low level of Luxembourgish. Of course for that you first need residency. In Portugal is again easy, as long as you have a job contract, Portugal has probably the most liberal migration laws in the EU right now (yeah, wages are low).
Portugal nationality for non-residents is easy as long as you can prove a family connection, that can be a Portuguese granparent or Portuguese Jewish roots (they can be 5 centuries old, is a compensation for inquisition, but you must be able to prove it, a Portuguese Jewish surname helps).
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IDK, does the salary deficit makes up for it?
I cannot speak to what working in Europe is like, but as someone who works in the public sector in a very blue state, the work/life balance and benefits are unmatched. Yes, the pay is slightly less, but it is more than worth it imo if it means I only have to work 4 days and 35 hours a week, and not 6 days and 70 hours a week.
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And only the poor and/or uneducated will stay behind. The USA is going down fast.
I don't think that's really true. The US is still the largest economy and attracts many educated and highly skilled people in the tech sector.
Certain parts are declining for sure, but I don't think that applies to the whole country.
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Wish I had the money to afford moving out there alone. Jealous.
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