Beehaw feels like it's ran by power tripping mods hiding behind toxic positivity and I'm not sad they defederated. I wouldn't denigrate anybody for preferring it but I personally like a little more freedom.
It seems like defederating harms the ones who do it, as it provides incentives for users who want to access both servers to go to a 3rd party. From kbin I can currently see both.
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Not necessarily. There's a Mastodon setting that would have worked here, it lets users from your community interact with another but doesn't let users from that community come into yours.
Imo de-federation literally breaks the WHOLE fucking point of all of this.
I'd suggest that beehaw's concerns could be met with a tool that lets you disable posting or voting from off-instance users unless they meet threshold criteria, whether it be account age or post history or manual approval. That would allow you to keep your content interaction controlled without the nuclear option of complete removal.
This needs to happen. This is getting ridiculous
I disagree. I think you should either federate fully or not at all.
Why should we let instances browse and comment in our communites without reciprocity?
It sounds to me as if the problem is one of technology and manpower; both need to be enhanced. Voting to bell the cat won't help if it's impossible to do!
"A Modest Proposal."
Wait, this isn't satire? ;)
I'm out of the loop, could someone explain what happened?
All I know is that Beehaw defederated (or was defederated by) someone because of trolls?
Splitting hairs, but I think rather than implementing a partial defederation, I think it would be better to set user rights for a given federation instance. Some federations you might want to allow view only access, access to a certain "tier" of communities, etc. Make the rights customizable so its as granular as needed by the server.
While I like the idea of granular permissions in principle, I feel like it could cause confusion and frustration for users depending on its implementation. For example, if a user from instance A is unable to reply to a user from instance B, even though both are posting on instance C and are visible to each other. So while granular permissions would be powerful, they could also introduce unwanted scenarios that would be difficult for the average user to understand.
That's why I think it would be good to start with a simpler system. Partial defederation (or limited federation) seems like a compromise which could strike a reasonable balance between controlling content on local instances while minimizing the impact on user experience across instances. That said, if permissions/rights were implemented in a limited or user-friendly way, they could also work.
I like that idea. I had to create an account on 3 different instances to be able to interact with the communities I want because of instance blocks, it would be nice not having to juggle them all the time.
Yeah people are not going to migrate over if they hear they can't interact with everyone. "Be careful which instance you sign up with because other instances may have blacklisted you, but I can't tell you which home instance to use because it might get overloaded."
Things will settle. There will be a lot of split communities at first, but in due time it will be more consolidated.
So in more exclusive instances they will have their own communities on a matter if their users need it, but I expect the more general ones to be the go-to for the majority, even if in different instances.
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