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Bans, removals, and the inability to mod (lemmy.ml)
submitted 11 months ago by Potatofish@lemmy.ml to c/reddit@lemmy.ml
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As much as Reddit sux because of the company's policies or mod problems etc., Lemmy is equally as bad.

Shadow banning is rampant on both platforms for instance. The biggest problem is that the people in charge of subs, or the instances, are incapable of governing -maybe not the best word- and don't understand words. It's a complete shit show everywhere.

Where have all the edgy and factual comments gone? Victims to mod bias and their political leanings. In some instances, they don't understand what they are reading, or don't like it, and ban everyone and remove posts like they are getting paid for bigger numbers.

Wasn't Lemmy supposed to solve this problem?

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[-] lvxferre@lemmy.ml 21 points 11 months ago

The problem that Lemmy is supposed to solve - and it does solve - is the admins. Here, if you have a bone to pick against a specific admin, you can register into another instance. And if none pleases you, you can create your own, with your own rules. In Reddit however if you have a bone to pick with spez or another of his shitheads, you're out of luck because they control the whole thing.

Moderators are another can of worms. You'll find shitty moderators here, just like in Reddit. And you'll find a good ones too.

[-] FARTYSHARTBLAST@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago

Shadow banning is rampant on both platforms for instance.

Can you elaborate on shadow banning?

[-] Potatofish@lemmy.ml -5 points 11 months ago

That's the thing, you have to frequent particular threads to notice, but for your own posts, you can see the mod reasoning, if they are given. Most of the time there is no reason given, but every now and then there's a one word response that is clearly them not understanding words or pushing their own political ideas. And by doing that they've created echo chambers for entire subs. It's disgusting.

In Reddit at least there is a big notice posted in the comment if they are removed. In Lemmy, they just prune everything so it looks like everyone agrees with the mod.

[-] FARTYSHARTBLAST@sh.itjust.works 8 points 11 months ago

That's not really shadowbanning, but I get your point. That said, at least the moderation actions in Lemmy are public.

[-] ubermeisters@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago

If you see there's an issue with moderation, being able to confirm that by consulting a modlog, changes nothing. You already know the problem is there, so whats the additional "evidence" going to do? are you going to bring it to the same mod(s)? Start a riot in a different community about it to raise awareness? Ineffectual solutions at best.

[-] Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 11 months ago

You bring that to the admins of the instance.

[-] Potatofish@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago

Exactly. You can't do anything. You are at the mercy of the mods. If they have massive bias for something, the entire sub has massive bias.

[-] ubermeisters@lemmy.world 2 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Anyway, read my new book called "Chariots of the Mods", where i show how internet moderators actually pre-formed civilization before current recorded time

[-] Blaze@discuss.tchncs.de 1 points 11 months ago

You bring that to the admins of the instance.

[-] Potatofish@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

See what you did here got me banned from an instance. Copy / pasting the same comment.

[-] Potatofish@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

It's more like content steering, yes. But from the perspective of someone that frequents a thread, it's shadowy. All the content vanishes and remembering the usernames that commented, so I can look up what was removed, is just not practical.

It's really bizarre and sadly dystopian.

[-] ubermeisters@lemmy.world 0 points 11 months ago

starting to feel like Lemmy was the bad guys all along as well. Not the actual people who make and manage the Lemmy code, just the inherent type of people that flock to moderation, are shit.

[-] Potatofish@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago

People that get off having mod powers or people that want to push a particular message... ๐Ÿ˜•

[-] Devi@kbin.social 6 points 11 months ago

It looks like you don't really use the fediverse much at all. Not sure why you're so bothered?

The joy of this type of platform is that if you don't have a place to post your stuff you can just make your own. You will then have the ability to control space just like the others can control theirs.

[-] Potatofish@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago

Personal echo chamber has to be the worst reasoning and idea I have ever heard.

Maybe I'm bothered because what you suggest as normal is bananas crazy.

[-] Devi@kbin.social 3 points 11 months ago

So what you want is a space where anyone can post anything with no moderation? So make it?? I don't understand your issue here. Is it only acceptable to you if you can go on any page you like and write anything you like?

[-] Potatofish@lemmy.ml 0 points 11 months ago

Wut

[-] DivergentHarmonics@sopuli.xyz 3 points 11 months ago* (last edited 11 months ago)

Do you, by some chance, mean c/ukraine on sopuli and people cheering to the real-life gore that keeps being posted there, and users getting banned for their ethical concerns about it?

e: It can be pointed out that it's even worse here than on platforms run by single companies. With those, the admins themselves will mostly not have a stake in the company but they themselves will be employees, which in theory would enable the company to hire ehtically vetted/trained personnel. Whereas here, the admins are likely be tech people who know how to run a server but might otherwise be overwhelmed with ethical conducting, or put their own political teint onto their platform, respectively. Lemmy has been deliberately set up in such a way.

Add to that the lack of good moderation tools. Many of the issues people are complaining about are prely technical, though; what is displayed in UI and database functionality. Such things could be solved though, by actually hiring some capable software developers (takes substantial funding), or by having it done bit by bit. Would there be enough people with enough faith in Lemmy to substantially contribute

[-] Potatofish@lemmy.ml 1 points 11 months ago

No. Admittedly I am having trouble understanding what you wrote but that might highlight part of the problem. Mods who aren't native English speakers are mods in English subs. They have no idea what they are reading and react randomly.

Also, the random people who volunteer to be mods. They don't volunteer with good intentions.

[-] DougHolland@lemmy.ml 3 points 11 months ago

You're now banned.

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