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I am hosting more than 10 services currently but only Nextcloud sends me errors periodically and only Nextcloud is super extremely painfully slow. I quit this sh*t. No more troubleshooting and optimization.

There are mainly 4 services in Nextcloud I'm using:

  • Files: as simple server for upload and download binaries
  • Calendar (with DAVx5): as sync server without web UI
  • Notes: simple note-taking
  • Network folder: mounted on Linux dolphin

Could you recommend me the alternatives for these? All services are supposed to be exposed by HTTPS, so authentication like login is needed. And I've tried note-taking apps like Joplin or trillium but couldn't like it.

Thanks in advance.

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[–] ChumpyCarvings@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Next cloud must be the worst piece of shit ever

I never stop seeing people complain about it :(

It sounds like the sync aspect was written by the crash plan folks.

[–] mb4x4@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I used it for a couple years on very beefy hardware, it used to be great but has become a bloated behemoth compared to what it once was. These days it tries to be too many things and it only excels at it's core "syncing" ability, adding plugins or anything else is just asking for trouble. I ended up ditching it about a year ago, currently not using any sync tool and it's been nice lol.

[–] Croatwink@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Did you try hosting it in a container? I've heard a lot of people had issues with dependencies, PHP, Apache until they moved to a container.

It doesn't solve the optimization though. That's still an issue for people I know who host nextcloud.

[–] numblock699@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Sadly there is no real alternative right now if you want anything close to what the cloud providers do. Synthing is the only thing I use that comes close to parts of it. Nextcloud is just a slow insecure mess.

[–] mtx0@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Filebrowser for files, Trillium for notes

[–] su1ka@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Try Nextcloud-AIO and install the Preview Generator as well. (note that you will need to run it manually the first time). I did struggle as well, before I found the AIO. Now I'm happy. :-)

[–] BadGroundbreaking243@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I used NC with postgresql, apps works fine and pretty smooth in everything. Compared to mysql it definitely feel faster.

But now I have no use for NC, I installed File Browser for file exploring. Super simple web file browser.

Focalboard, for kanban.

Obsidian with sync.

[–] lywyu@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago (3 children)

Complaints seem to come mostly from people trying to run it on ARM, maybe NC isn't optimized for that architecture.

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[–] rglullis@communick.news 1 points 2 years ago (2 children)
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[–] IgnaceMenace@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

IMO Joplin is a better idea for note taking

[–] ProbablePenguin@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

It's the right choice, nextcloud is buggy af, the issue from years ago where it randomly corrupts files is still open too, I got hit by that one and had to completely restore from a backup.

[–] kondorb@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Nextcloud is a large and complex application, it does need more resources than one would probably expect.

Nextcloud macOS and iOS apps make running it a no-brainer for me. Nextcloud on macOS works better than Google Drive.

[–] viktormadarasz@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Just came to say I self host baikal too for calendar and address book / tasks

use DavX on my Android phone to keep it in sync and thunderbird on the computer

[–] public-snowplow@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Is there something better than DAVx5? It seems to be too battery hungry compared to Google calendar.

[–] OhMyForm@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I love the idea of nextcloud but it really seems pretty hostile towards hosters I would suggest looking at something like Cryptpad which is at least an upgrade to your personal security.

[–] thekubernaut@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

u/Sudden_Cheetah7530 We also use Nextcloud and deploy it on Kubernetes with our Open Source Nextcloud Operator and it works without any issues so far. I hope that helps you too

https://github.com/glasskube/operator

[–] malferro@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Files: Seafile
Calendar: Radicale
Notes: Joplin
Network Folder: N/A

[–] pcs3rd@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I use pydio cells for file sharing.

[–] TheQuantumPhysicist@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I would say Seafile, and especially their webserver "seahub", which is written in Python and Django, is just pure garbage. I'm using Seafile since 2012, and I'm honestly so sick of its problems. It just crashes for no good reason, and the encryption is extremely mediocre (there's been issues about it). I have it behind my VPN so security isn't a big deal.

Because it's written with the garbage Python + Django, just try moving your installation to a new version... and you'll be stuck with a very specific version of a bunch of libraries or otherwise seahub won't even launch... and to make it even better, you don't get anything on stdout/stderr to tell you what's wrong, unless you launch Seahub in a specific configuration mode (WSAPI or something?).

Seafile has become so bad that I stopped caring about tracking its issues. I set my docker container to just restart on health checks' failure, and forgot about it. My status tracker shows that it's shutdown, and eventually it'll restart. "Hey look, Seafile is down." And I respond "That's OK, dear, just give it another 15 minutes and it'll restart". This is my status on Seafile.

I think Seahub needs a complete revamp.

Those guys coded Seafile like a decade ago and they don't care about fixing it anymore. Github is cluttered with issues.

[–] itshardtopicka_name_@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

i dont understand how some people have lots of issue with NC and some people say its all good

i have tried many times to switch to NC, It always slow (given that it running locally next to me, i expect it to be snappy) and throws me some error after somedays. I really wanted to use NC, so many things in one package

[–] Admirable-Basil-9591@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

NC AIO has been good for me and support has been awesome. Seafuke is Chinese so I don’t trust it. At least NC is German and has some privacy stuff.

Filerun is good

[–] Warm_Feature_7302@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

I would have nothing but issues if I ran the docker app on unraid and used the sqlexpress built in. I switched over to CasaOS and use Mariasql and the nextcloud container on it and it has been solid.

[–] DzikiDziq@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Went from nextcloud to FileBrowser for web files access, with resilio/syncthing under the hood for synchronisation. My family couldn’t be happier, but yeah - we are not using calendar futures.

[–] 12_nick_12@alien.top 1 points 2 years ago

Nextcloud was painfully slow on a cheap HDD based VPS, I finally moved it to SSD and it's been fast. With redis and SSD its quick. I'd take a look at your system to make sure that's not the cause.

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