AceTKen

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[–] AceTKen@lemmy.ca 2 points 8 minutes ago

Actually, I've been unbanned from 10 of those subs due to this post because it was found to be an unjust ban. Also, are you able to point at the part where I stated I was anti-image generation, or are you just being standard-issue internet hostile?

[–] AceTKen@lemmy.ca 6 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

I was subscribed to one of the communities that I was banned from and was in there pretty regularly.

If I'm unbanned or not, that is ultimately up to the mods. I'm not really stumping for it one way or the other.

My main purpose here would be essentially to say that these kinds (multi-community, permanent, and over very light and expected interactions from normal people) of bans are not justified and perhaps mods should rethink the process and not assume the worst of everyone.

[–] AceTKen@lemmy.ca 3 points 5 hours ago

Oh, I'm aware, but they weren't as exposed as they are since 19.10 made them easily visible to Mods. It was MUCH harder to get downvote totals prior.

[–] AceTKen@lemmy.ca 5 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (4 children)

Non-biased explanation: in the initial image, you can see two "ban waves."

The 10 bans three months ago stem from a single downvote in one Community.

The other bans from two months ago are from four downvotes over a 10 month timeframe in one Community.

I have also stated in this thread that I don't have issues with AI-gen images, but there are shoddy ones and well-done ones.

EDIT: Added the info to the initial post along with some more explanation now that we've uncovered it. Should hopefully save me from having to go over it constantly.

[–] AceTKen@lemmy.ca 6 points 14 hours ago

Just one more for the road since I think the thread is dying down and I don't like leaving things on a negative note.

It takes some bravery to dip into a thread discussing issues and I wanted to say thanks for clearing what you did up. I may not agree, but I can understand it at least. It's important to remember the human on the other end. Moderating can be hard, and so can finding the line you feel you should walk. Thanks for running a Community on Lemmy. Shit's not easy sometimes.

[–] AceTKen@lemmy.ca 17 points 14 hours ago* (last edited 4 hours ago) (3 children)

If on the web (not a mobile client), you can click the three dots with the arrow pointing down under any post (including yours) and hit "NAME Moderation History". It'll show you what mod actions have been taken on you.

[–] AceTKen@lemmy.ca 7 points 14 hours ago (2 children)

Still nope. Geez, you are really dedicated to thinking the worst thing you can about people, hey?

I didn't say unfairly banned. I was confused as to why I was banned.

I did downvote one post near the time of the ban. I didn't look prior to that. 4 posts downvoted in ten months isn't normally something I'd associate with a ban. People don't generally ban for things that happened ten months ago. Especially since the votes were reasonably more private back then.

It's all one story. The same story. It evolved as I discovered more about what occurred. It's called learning. Make an attempt to do so as well please.

[–] AceTKen@lemmy.ca 8 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 16 hours ago)

Just FYI, I'm not downvoting you.

The bad faith actors should be somewhat easy to pick out. They are in my Community anyway. They often have scads of downvotes they throw out in a short time, not a few over the course of months. Dunno if you are, but if you're using automation to ban, you may just want to tune it to be a little more lenient.

[–] AceTKen@lemmy.ca 6 points 17 hours ago* (last edited 15 hours ago)

Maybe. Just I case, I wouldn't interact. I would report it to an Admin most likely.

From what I've seen, most Admins will either not let that stand or sadly lead the charge on the psycho shit.

If it's the first, you're good. It'll be gone soon.

If it's the latter, get the hell outta that instance and block it.

[–] AceTKen@lemmy.ca 26 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 18 hours ago) (6 children)

It's perfectly distinguishable unless you're trying real hard to misinterpret what I said. As a Mod of a small Community myself, here's the difference in downvotes:

  1. Bad Faith Actor: Sees a post or a whole Community they don't like. Goes in and systematically downvotes a bunch of stuff on purpose. Topics, responses... everything. Downvotes because they hate the community and everything it stands for. See 50 downvotes in your Community in one day? That's these fuckers. Ban them. They are assholes and are vote manipulating. Probably ban them from related Communities for vote manipulation.

  2. Normal User: (--> We are here) May or may not comment in YOUR Community, especially if it's image-based. Sees a single post that they don't like out of thousands they see daily and downvotes it. Several months later, it may happen again. This is expected behaviour and is how an upvote / downvote system functions. Don't ban these or you're the asshole.

  3. Brigade Users: A coordinated attack to downvote or spam a Community stemming from some other place. They downvote everything and often post garbage. Ban these people. They are assholes and are vote manipulating. Probably ban them from related Communities for vote manipulation if not trying to seek an instance ban.

  4. Lurker: (The overwhelming majority of users are this) Indistinguishable from a Normal user in votes, but may not comment. May be an alt or bot account. Be wary. Check their post history to see if they're real people. If real, leave 'em alone. If empty, use your discretion. Don't ban from related Communities.

  5. Other: Downvotes accidentally when scrolling sometimes. These happen. May appear as a Lurker or a Normal User. Don't ban these or you're the asshole.

Hope that helps!

[–] AceTKen@lemmy.ca 29 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago) (21 children)

I don't understand the thought process here. Like many, I don't browse Communities individually, I browse /All and sort by New.

So I am required to see something I like and upvote or else I am not allowed to an express an opinion in the community (or any tangentially linked community)?

If I see something I don't like (which is what the voting system is for), I should go to the Community it's posted in and make sure to upvote things before I downvote? That's the expected order of operations?

If not... what if, while browsing /All /New nothing randomly appears that the viewer likes enough to upvote? Is that then somehow the fault of the viewer and they should then be banned?

Am I interpreting your rulings correctly? 4 downvotes in the span of 10 months (judging by the times on those posts you listed) is a bannable offence? Seems rather heavy-handed to me.

[–] AceTKen@lemmy.ca 20 points 19 hours ago* (last edited 19 hours ago)

We found the answer (kinda)! It was @Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com See here: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/34853477

I was called out by name for a single downvote and culled from a score of Communities I did not participate in by them.

"Create more slop" is, in fact, a message I disagree with rather strongly and did downvote that (and only that) post. I PM'd the the mod in response to that post:

Brigading is organized. I, a single person, downvoted one post I saw in /All because it is actively content with a message I do not care for or agree with. Bad form would be going through everything in the community and downvoting. I didn’t do that either. What I had done is called “using the platform as intended.” And you overreacted with a ban.

So we've effectively solved the first part, but not the three Stable Diffusion parts... Those also seem to line up with another single downvote a month later. Again, hardly brigading or vote manipulation.

EDIT: Huh. Looks like we had someone in this thread downvoting nearly every post in here.

 

Was recently banned from a whole bunch of DB0 communities for, as best as I can gather, downvoting once when I viewed by All (potentially accidentally while scrolling).

Important notes:

  1. I don't use scripts.
  2. I don't mass-downvote Communities. If I see a post I generally don't like when browsing All, I may downvote one post, block the Community and move on.
  3. Some of the communities I was banned from don't have any posts in them so I wouldn't have been able to downvote anything.
  4. Of all of these Communities, in my history I downvoted one post in one of them. Voting in this manner is not vote manipulation. It's quite literally a feature of the platform and as a mod of another Community, I would consider it pretty good etiquette.
  5. One of my bans reads "Appeal Granted, not a brigading member" but I'm still banned.
  6. I don't troll.

WTF is going on here?

EDIT - Updated Info from the conversation below: In the initial image, you can see two "ban waves."

The 10 bans three months ago stem from a single downvote in one Community. It was @Draconic_NEO@lemmy.dbzer0.com See here: https://discuss.tchncs.de/post/34853477

I was called out by name for a single downvote and culled from a score of Communities I did not participate in by them.

The other bans from two months ago are from four total downvotes over a 10-month timeframe in one Community.

I have also stated in this thread that I don't have issues with AI-gen images, but there are shoddy ones and well-done ones.

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We're back! We're testing the waters with the new influx of people to see if this is valuable or not. We are also actively seeking moderators and people who enjoy discussion (and understand that being wrong is an important part of being a better person)! Send me a message if you'd like to help out.

This weekly thread will focus on The Future Of The USA. You may not be American (I'm sure not), but what happens with America can impact the world.

Some Starters (and don’t feel you have to speak on all or any of them if you don’t care to):

  • How do you feel things are going there?
  • How are they impacting relations with your country if you aren't from America?
  • Do you think things will get better or worse?
  • How do you think things could be made better?
  • What should other countries do to mitigate the damage that may be occurring?
  • What are your thoughts on tariffs?
 

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We're testing the waters with the new influx of people to see if this is valuable or not. We are also actively seeking moderators and people who enjoy discussion (and understand that being wrong is an important part of being a better person)! Send me a message if you'd like to help out.

This weekly thread will focus on games (board or video) that are fantastic, but have one extremely annoying aspect that doesn't fit, doesn't make sense, or makes the game worse.

No starters this time as there's tons of examples. Let me know yours and maybe what you did as a workaround or house rule (if applicable)!

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We're back! We're testing the waters with the new influx of people to see if this is valuable or not. We are also actively seeking moderators and people who enjoy discussion (and understand that being wrong is an important part of being a better person)! Send me a message if you'd like to help out.

This weekly thread will focus on Political Purity Testing. The definition we will use for this discussion is here along with some real-world examples.

The attitude can essentially be summed up with "If you're not 100% with us, then you're against us."

Some Starters (and don’t feel you have to speak on all or any of them if you don’t care to):

  • Do you feel it is helpful or harmful to a side of an issue to purity test?
  • Do you feel these tests are encountered more as you enter extreme areas of thought?
  • Are there alternatives to purity testing that you'd rather see implemented?
  • Do you feel this happens more on the left or right wing, or is it roughly equal?
  • Here's a goofy quiz about which Canadian Political Party you most agree with. Take it and let us know the results if you feel like it! https://canada.isidewith.com/political-quiz
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This weekly thread will focus on Helping Us Fix Weekly Topics. This Community seems to have a problem. I generally do my best to create open-ended topics that don't lead the reader to respond in any specific way, all while providing what I think are interesting starters. I've purposely picked other moderators that do not think the same as I do on many topics, but have the skill to explain why they feel the way they do. Results of all of this seem to be extremely limited.

If I try and introduce some opinion in a topic for people to pick at (even if I don't believe it), they tend to get very aggressive and seem to insult moreso than discuss. They focus on moral arguments instead of logical ones and abandon discussions when challenged which sort of defeats the purpose (and goes against the rules) of the entire Community to begin with.

Some Starters (and don’t feel you have to speak on all or any of them if you don’t care to):

  • Can we do anything with moderation or rules to help encourage you to respond more?
  • Are there any format changes you'd like to see that may help?
  • Do you ever feel that Lemmy is a more aggressive form of social media and therefore limit your discussion?
  • Does the activist nature of Lemmy help or hurt further adoption?
  • What topics would you like to see covered?
  • Is Lemmy even a good platform for discussion to begin with?
  • Would you like to be a mod and help out?
 

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This weekly thread will focus on Climate Change. We're not going to discuss if it exists (it very obviously does), but what we can do. I've seen a lot of blame thrown around, but not much on what can actually be done so I'd like to get some ideas on that front.

Some Starters (and don’t feel you have to speak on all or any of them if you don’t care to):

  • Should the focus be on individual actions or holding corporations accountable for their environmental impact?
  • Should governments prioritize investment in renewable energy over fossil fuels, even if it means higher short-term costs?
  • Is it more effective to implement strict climate change laws or to rely on voluntary measures and market-driven solutions?
  • Should countries be obligated to accept climate refugees displaced by environmental changes?
  • Is geoengineering a viable solution to combat climate change, or does it pose too many risks?
  • Should climate change education be mandatory in schools worldwide?
 

I tend to browse /All and by New on Lemmy. I went to respond on a thread on !vegan@lemmy.world to thank someone for a recipe that looked good, and found out I had been banned.

Odd, considering I hadn't posted to that sub at any point in the past. I checked the modlog to find that "Mod" had banned a bunch of people citing "Rule 5."

Their Rule 5 states: Bad-faith carnist rhetoric & anti-veganism are not allowed, as this is not a space to debate the merits of veganism. Anyone is welcome here, however, and so good-faith efforts to ask questions about veganism may be given their own weekly stickied post in the future (see current stickied discussion).

I (and hundreds of others) seemingly broke rule 5 of this community without ever posting there. What is going on?

And my apologies if this isn't the place for this, but I had no idea where else to post the question.

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This weekly thread will focus on the sometimes painful art of being wrong.

I don't mean not having an opinion and then forming one, I mean having an opinion, and then having that opinion changed with new or more accurate information.

Some Starters (and don’t feel you have to speak on all or any of them if you don’t care to):

  • When was the last time you were wrong? What about something somewhat major?
  • What was it regarding?
  • How did it make you feel?
  • What do you feel is the best way to correct someone with an ingrained opinion?
  • Is it easier online or in person?
  • When do you give up on talking to someone?
  • Would you be open to a new thread type here where we create a Steelman post as a group? (eg. We start from questions and end up at THE post / article for finding information on a touchy subject)
 

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This weekly thread will focus on debate, discussion, and the lack thereof on social media (including Lemmy).

My apologies for "leading" a bit more than I try to normally in these weekly threads, however this is a topic that pisses me off in particular. Not only as a mod of a discussion-based community, but as someone who loves it when someone challenges me and proves me wrong / disproves my logic so I'd very much like to hear outside opinions on the topic. I can't even partially understand how people don't want to have a more cohesive / logically sound opinion.

Some Starters (and don’t feel you have to speak on all or any of them if you don’t care to):

  • Do you feel that discussion is worse now? If so, what caused it? If not, where may others get this feeling from?
  • Is it potentially a platform issue, or does it happen everywhere?
  • Does discussion even matter any longer? Why or why not?
  • Do you feel that more could be done to encourage discussion with outside views or are we better off just "bubble"-ing ourselves and blocking everyone we disagree with?
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This weekly thread will focus on the word "Woke" and its meaning, use, and misuse.

Some Starters (and don’t feel you have to speak on all or any of them if you don’t care to):

  • What does the word mean to you?
  • Is it applied correctly or incorrectly?
  • Is it even applicable any longer?
  • Do you feel that Conservative media misapplies it, and is "everything I don't like is woke" an appropriate sentiment or simply uncharitable?
 

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This weekly thread will focus on words, their import, and their use / misuse.

With respect to the late, great George Carlin.

Some Starters (and don’t feel you have to speak on all or any of them if you don’t care to):

  • How do you feel about political (or forced) movement of language? For example, pro-life and pro-choice being two sides of the same issue because nobody wants to identify as "anti-"anything.
  • What are some words that are nebulous, but everyone "knows" the meaning of?
  • Are there any manipulated words that annoy you?
  • Do you find any common patterns with how words are used by various groups?
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This weekly thread will focus on getting other people to watch movies we love, but others may not have seen or even know about.

In order to make a recommendation or two, simply let others know an appropriate amount about a movie and why they should give it a chance.

If you want to deeply discuss one, please remember to use Spoiler tags where applicable!

Some Starters (and don’t feel you have to speak on all or any of them if you don’t care to):

  • Great bad movies
  • Hilarious garbage for a big group movie night
  • Best genre movies
  • Underrated films
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