Alleged by Ukraine

Oh, so that's how we do things now? Let's put all the alleged belligerents on the other side as well

I've watched a couple of minutes of Aaron Máté debating hasbara on Piers Morgan, and it always amazes me how natural they try to make settler colonialism. One of the debaters was Fleur Hassan.

Fleur Hassan-Nahoum is an Israeli politician, media expert and policy maker. She currently serves as Deputy Mayor of Jerusalem in charge of foreign relations, international economic development and tourism.

Fleur Hassan-Nahoum was born in London and grew up in Gibraltar. She is the daughter of Sir Joshua Hassan, who served as the first Mayor of Gibraltar and, later, also served as the first Chief Minister of Gibraltar,[2] and his second wife, Lady Marcelle Bensimon,[3] both of Moroccan and Portuguese Jewish origin.

Hassan-Nahoum grew up bilingual, speaking Spanish and English In 2001, Hassan-Nahoum emigrated to Israel.

Imagine having to debate settlers like this during the ongoing settler colonial genocide. They condescendingly talk to you about the "generous peace deals" they offered to the Palestinians and Iran being the puppet master of Hamas and Hezbollah.

It's crazy. Fuckin mad world. Go back to London for fucks sake.

MoA:

FT Reports A Ukrainian Warcrime

The willful killing of unarmed soldiers, especially when there is a good chance of taking them prisoners, is certainly a war crime.

It is astonishing that Christopher Miller of the Financial Times reports of it without further comment.

How Ukraine pulled off its biggest gamble: invading Russia (archived) - Financial Times, Aug 12, 2024

As Volodymyr prepared to enter Russian territory, adrenaline ran through his veins. It was not lost on him that 81 years ago, another battle in Russia’s Kursk region marked a turning point for Europe. ... “We entered Russian territory for the first time at 1pm on Tuesday [August 6],” Volodymyr said. “We were among the first to enter there.”

To his astonishment, his unit faced no resistance as their eight-wheeled, 20 tonne US Stryker fighting vehicle stormed across the border in broad daylight.

They soon encountered a Russian unit “sitting in the forest, drinking coffee at a table”, Volodymyr recalled. “Then our Stryker drives right into their table.

“We killed many of them on the first day,” he said. “Because they were unarmed and didn’t expect us.”

Not wanting to end up like their comrades, he added, “dozens” of stunned Russian soldiers simply laid down their weapons and surrendered.

"81 years ago, another battle in Russia’s Kursk region marked a turning point for Europe," writes Miller. He and others should consider what that really means. If I remember correctly, the German fascists and their Ukrainian allies also committed war crimes - and lost the fight.

World leaders responded with shock, widely condemning political violence and wishing Adolf Hitler a speedy recovery. The Führer may be a divisive figure, but the leaders in the Allied command — who would prefer him not to take over Europe — were unequivocal in expressing their dismay on what it means and where it could lead. Allied leaders called the attack “despicable,” and described it as “a tragedy for democracies.” "We stand in solidarity with the Führer," they continued "The attack is madness that none of us should condone"

Remember when Obama appointed Eric Holder to "supposedly" prosecute Wall Street for their role for causing the global economic crash that accelerated the slide towards overt fascism in the west? And the dude was just a Wall Street plant?

In July 2015, Holder rejoined Covington & Burling, the law firm at which he worked before becoming attorney general. The law firm's clients have included many of the large banks Holder declined to prosecute for their alleged role in the financial crisis.

It's relatively small shit compared to actual war crimes but there are thousands of examples like this only form the last 10 years... but liberals forget about them by the next week. I just remembered it randomly.

I am actively exercising self-discipline not engaging with certain western shitlibs gloating about the terror attack in Moscow.

Putin is Schrödinger's dictator isn't he? When something bad happens to ordinary Russians, it's backlash for supporting Putin. But when they talk about elections/democracy etc. then Putin is a dictator who cannot be removed except with force. Which is it ~~western~~ liberals?

It's amazing how obvious it is that Zelensky is just a regional manager propped up by the Corporate HQ in Washington.

Liberal historians are being weird again.

They correctly see certain facts (about the British intervention in the Russian Civil War):

There was plenty of reason to see the intervention as nasty – for starters, lack of clear war aims, atrocities on which the Allies turned a blind eye, half-hearted support of reactionaries followed by ignominious betrayal – but the real reason it was judged so harshly was that it failed. Nothing substantive was achieved, while, as the British commander of Allied forces in the north, Edmund Ironside, noted at the time of the British withdrawal from North Russia in the autumn of 1919, the cost was to incur ‘the everlasting enmity of both sides – the Whites for deserting them, and the Reds for opposing them’.

Exactly - it was hopeless and unnecessary.

Apart from getting rid of the Bolsheviks, the aims of the Western intervention were remarkably ill-defined. Sometimes it was to protect British interests and keep the Germans, Turks, Poles, or Japanese imperial or territorial ambitions in check; sometimes to support ‘democratic forces’ in Russia, notably the transient Czechs; and sometimes just to back up the (anti-democratic) Whites.

So the support of "democratic forces" was just posturing, in other words.

A national claim the Allies did not support, however, was the Ukrainian one, or rather, any of the various Ukrainian claims that were on offer.

the Allies essentially accepted the Poles’ argument that Ukrainian nationalism was German-inspired and incoherent, with little popular support. In Reid’s summation, although Ukrainians today ‘view the Allies’ failure to support them as a tragic missed opportunity’, ‘in truth the scoffers were probably right. Split, by the end of 1919, between two paper governments, one allied with the Poles against the Russians and the other the reverse, they did not have the leadership or unity to win power, even with outside military aid.’

Sounds about right

Reid’s encounter with widespread and virulent antisemitism – both as practised on the ground in Ukraine by Whites, Poles and Ukrainian nationalists, and as tacitly condoned by the Allies – was ‘one of the most jolting aspects of researching this book’. The first major pogroms of the Civil War were conducted in December 1918 by the Polish army after capturing Lviv from Ukrainian forces. The local British representative, setting a pattern that was often to be followed in subsequent months, ‘dismissed pogrom “rumours” as “grossly exaggerated”’. Antisemitism was a core component of White propaganda [..] Altogether, the pogroms of 1919 in Ukraine were on a scale ‘not seen since the Cossack rebellions of the 17th century’, but the Whites weren’t the only ones to blame: Symon Petilura’s and Nykyfor Hryhoriv’s Ukrainian forces, as well as Nestor Makhno’s anarchist ‘Greens’, were also heavily involved.

and so on and so on. But then.

Reid’s problem is that, recognising a degree of similarity in the two episodes of foreign involvement in war on Ukrainian territory, she holds diametrically opposed value judgments of them: the early 20th-century intervention on behalf of the Whites was pointless, but current Western support of Ukraine in a war started by the Russians is morally imperative and, in global political terms, necessary. Present-day Ukraine is a democratic or democratically aspiring country that ‘for all its faults ... really does deserve the world’s help’, she writes in the recent second edition of Borderland. ‘Betraying the country would be moral and strategic failure on a par with the crushed Hungarian Rising or Prague Spring – and with much less excuse.’

It is so weird that liberals have this fundamental premise that Western powers have both the moral superiority and the means to sort out conflicts in far away lands. How is this different from the early XXth century British conception of a benign civilizing Empire? What kind of mental gymnastics they need to perform so that their heads don't split from the cognitive dissonance? How come they don't see the similarities that the Western powers are willing to support any kind of reactionary force so long as it is in their geopolitical interest? That they didn't give a shit about pogroms, because the main concern was to own the ‘the blood-stained, Jew-led Bolsheviks’? That they are supporting Azov just to hinder Putler?

Perhaps the real takeaway from Reid’s history isn’t so much a lesson as a premonition: that not too far down the track, we could be witnessing a shamefaced withdrawal of Western support that leaves the Ukrainians – like the Russian Whites a century earlier – to sort out the mess with Moscow on their own.

After the Canadian Nazi celebration bullshit, a side topic that has emerged is what happened to Eastern European Nazis who remained in Eastern Europe. And here's what liberals believe:

the nazis of 1945 just became communists in 1946, basically no one was prosecuted, apart from a tiny few

So Rakosi executed Szalasi and his government along with Sztojay et al., many Hungarian fascists went to prison/gulag, but Rakosi made the decision to let the insignificant ones live regular lives. Unless you know, if they committed war crimes. Then they were executed. (There was a famous trial in the 60s where war criminals, one of them an insignificant party member, were found out - a victim came forward after recognizing the nazi on the street - then they executed the nazis.)

In summary:

• If you are Tito with then you are an unconscionable monster
• If you only execute the top 200 fascists, imprison 10000, like the Hungarian comrades did, then you are soft on nazis, in fact you love nazis

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Wow Zelensky met another geriatric war criminal in the span of a week. What a run! What. a. run. Hoo-boy. I wonder who's the next mass murderer he's gonna meet. What a truly great democrat he is. A true role model with impeccable ethical standards.

@JoeBiden After Vietnam, we learned how the harmful effects of exposure to Agent Orange took years to manifest in veterans, leaving too many unable to access care when they needed and deserved it.

The PACT Act means today's veterans and their families won't suffer those painful denials.

After the Holocaust, we learned how the harmful effects of exposure to Zyklon B took years to manifest in concentration camp guards, leaving too many unable to access care when they needed and deserved it.

Estonian PM Kaja Kallas urged to clarify husband’s Russian business ties

Opposition politicians seek resignation of Baltic leader, who had called on EU companies to refrain from trade with Moscow