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In Medieval times villagers across Europe were afraid of going to hell. One of the ways to screw up and accidentally do lots of sin was to fall for some heretical teachings. If a charismatic preacher was spreading bad ideas around, lots of people might fry in hot oil for eternity. Heretical beliefs were dangerous, and they could spread on their own. One person might believe the wrong thing and tell 20 friends about it. They might go and tell 20 more friends. Heresy can go viral.

Homophobic cultures tend to use this reasoning to justify punishing the gays. They think if we allow, or encourage young people to be gay, if we glamorize being queer, the ranks of the homos will multiply until they completely take over society.

It’s ridiculous, of course. Nobody chooses to be gay. Homosexuality is not a disease that spreads until some brave Christian soldier stamps it out.

Bitcoin on the other hand is a really stupid belief system. It can spread. Heresy-as-a-virus theory applies perfectly in this case.

The most interesting hysteria of recent years, however, is pedophilia. Children’s sexuality has long been taboo in American society. Child molesters have always been one of the most reviled groups of people. In the last 40 years, however, rational thought faded behind the mania of Stranger Danger, which later morphed into Sex Predator Panic. Even as crime rates were falling fast, people perceived a massive rise in sex crime against children.

Part of that was of course due to the new definition of child. In the 70s, child meant pre-pubescent person. By 2010 child meant anyone under 20. Very few men are sexually attracted to people 10-years-old or younger. On the other hand, all men are sexually aroused by the people under 20. The new reality was that pedos were no longer 1% of the male population, but now they were 100% of the male population.

New urban myths based on junk science led everyone to believe that people under 25 years of age don’t have properly functioning brains and so they can be easily brainwashed into becoming some pervert’s sex toy. Grooming was a massive threat, because all teenagers were retards, and the only thing that kept them from becoming child rape victims was the proper anti-pedo attitudes of men. All men were required to know that under 24 or under 19 meant child, and therefore he must NOT be sexually attracted to that person. Allowing himself to consider a 17-year-old sexy was promoting pedophilia.

With this the Puritans had fertile ground for spreading hysteria. Everybody knew that the Miss Teen USA contestants were all very sexy, but because young adults (aka teens) had been reclassified as children, watching the pageant became an act of pedophilia. Intense virtue signaling ensued. Everyone needed to go on record condemning Matt Goetz or Roy Moore. Men needed to sincerely declare that they are revolted by the idea of kissing anyone younger than them.

Podcaster Greg Dworkin told his audience “Teenage girls are not women. Repeat it to yourself until you internalize it.” Isn’t that odd? Why didn’t he ask us to repeat “Sheep are not appropriate sex partners”? Why didn’t he recommend “Grass is green.” as a mantra?

No one needs to repeat things that are true. The reason Greg lies to himself over and over is because he desperately wants to believe the lie. His desperation comes from the fear. He fell for the rather stupid idea that if men believe that young women aged 14-18 are in fact young women, those men will groom, sexually abuse, and traumatize them.

The obvious scientific fact that teenagers are not children has become heresy. Well-meaning people are sincerely terrified that vulnerable young people will be sexually abused if we are allowed to make simple statements like “Teens have been having sex for all of human history. It is not harmful to them.” or “Teenagers are young adults.”

They condemn respect for young adults aged 14-18 as normalizing pedophilia. They are afraid the heresy will spread like a virus.

They are wrong.

Pedophilia, by definition, has nothing to do with teenagers. Pedophilia is a sexual orientation. It is not chosen. Nobody becomes or stops being a pedo because of something they do or see around them. It is like homosexuality. You are either born with it, or without it. You cannot change it. You have no choice.

Lying about young adults (aka teens) does not protect them. Respecting and empowering them does. The grooming myth is especially dangerous because it is so disempowering. Tell all your young people that they are helpless brain-dead morons who can easily be brainwashed by predators who will traumatize them, and for many it becomes a self-fulfilling prophecy.

It’s time to stop the bullshit dogma. It’s time to stop lying about young adults. It’s time to stop treating them like morons. Most of all we need to stop the naïve counter-productive crap that keeps making everything worse.

 

16-year-olds are NOT children. To say so is unscientific garbage. Our young adults have internalized their own infantilization to such an extent that they openly deny the existence of #BasicBiology

#ScienceDenial #teens #teenagers #infantilization #discrimination #bigotry

 

If you really want to understand the truth about teens, it's necessary to acknowledge that 'adolescence' is not a natural state. It's something modern society made up. We raised the age of social adulthood creating a gap between it and biological adulthood. That dissonance creates our well-known behavioral issues at that age. Cultures that don't infantilize their young adults don't get those problems.

see: Margaret Meade or Schlegel & Barry.

 

100 years ago racists wanted to prove that white men have better brains than everybody else. So they measured the skulls of women, Africans, and Jews and voilà! They had "scientific" proof that everyone they hate has bad brains.

Over the last 20 years we've done exactly the same thing with teens and under 25s. We use cherry-picked junk science to "prove" that they are mentally deficient then we treat them like shit.

 

This sounds so friendly and nice and supportive

but the underlying message is "You're helpless because you're under 18. Only older people have power. Don't believe in yourself or your power to defend yourself. Look for an older person to defend you."

It's disempowering AF.

 

"People who are in their early twenties are estimated to be two and half times more likely to be sexually inactive than members of Gen X were at the same age."

The New Yorker Magazine 2022-04-11 "How Everyone Got So Lonely" by Zoë Heller

 

It never works to say "In ancient Hebrew tradition 12 year old females are women, therefore we'll uncritically accept that as true"

but as a way of opening our minds, something to consider, what if they got it right and we got it wrong?

This woman says her 11 year old daughters are in puberty.

So in the old Jewish tradition their awkward adolescent phase would last about a year, until their bat mitzvah.

but since she lives in 2022 America they will likely be considered children for at least a decade.

#SPR860

 

Statistically poverty, substance abuse, and dysfunctional families often correlate. Domestic abuse is in the mix too. No one can isolate one single cause, because the world doesn't work in the oversimplified way we'd like it to.

Imagine you're a girl in a poor abusive household. There's really not much you can do but pray for a better future. Then you hit puberty, and you become sexually attractive to the men in town. This may be the first power you have ever had.

Some peeps are endowed with the power to physically or psychologically dominate their peers with implied threats of violence. Others are gifted with natural leadership abilities. But not all. Then there's a group that is simply pretty and sexy.

If you are this poor young woman from an abusive family, and by chance, nature gives you a sexy body that men like, why wouldn't you start flirting with a man who treats you nicely and makes you feel loved? And wouldn't it be even better if the man had a job and a car?

Your way to get away from your hellish home on a Saturday night may literally be the vehicle owned by your new boyfriend, but your ticket to a better life could definitely seem like a serious relationship with a somewhat older man.

Young adults (aka teens) from poor families tend to have more unplanned pregnancies than their peers from rich families. There are many possible reasons for that. Better access to contraception being the most obvious one.

Young adults (aka teens) from rich families also have much better access to options for terminating an unplanned pregnancy than their poor counterparts. So statistically teenage mothers tend to be much less wealthy than older first time mothers.

There was a famous study done by Darroch in the 90s. (see below) It shows a lot of what I have outlined here. When California Gov Gray Davis saw the study, however, he ignored all the relevant data, and decided that the CAUSE of all these problems was statutory rape.

His plan was to get the cops & prosecutors to put more of the boyfriends with jobs & cars in prison as a way to solve the teen pregnancy problem. This was, of course, illogical to the point of batshit crazy. Smart people at the time pointed that out.

https://guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/1996/01/can-statutory-rape-laws-be-effective-preventing-adolescent-pregnancy

So people in the 90s screwed up. Big deal. Who cares?

The main issue here, is that Gov Davis's batshit stupid thinking went mainstream, and dominates our discourse to this day. Big TV personalities like Oprah picked it up and spread it generously.

The goofy myth based on contorted logic took on a life of its own. The general public, who never spend a lot of time digging into the research or thinking things thru, started to believe that the causation runs opposite to the reality.

That is to say, people now believe that teenage women dating men 10 years older than them causes them to be poor and show the symptoms of an abuse victim.

The obvious reality is that poverty and dysfunction is what led them to choose that partner in the first place.

Criminalizing a young woman's choice of boyfriend isn't the way to make her life happy and healthy. Incarcerating the father of a young woman's baby is one of the worst things you can do to her and her infant. We need to bring a little common sense back to this discussion.

 

Michelle Oberman of DePaul University "drawing a connection between enforcing these laws and lowering adolescent pregnancy rates flies in the face of everything we know about why girls get pregnant...

...and why they choose to continue their pregnancies. The problem is much more complicated than simply older men preying on younger women."

full text: https://www.guttmacher.org/journals/psrh/1996/01/can-statutory-rape-laws-be-effective-preventing-adolescent-pregnancy

#SPR860

 

There is no age of consent in Afghanistan.

The variable for them is marriage.

Far right politics does this. They want patriarchal control of women's bodies.

They're fighting against the "anarchy" of women having bodily autonomy.

In Idaho and Yemen a 10 year old can get married, with parental consent.

Their ideology is Daddy must control her sexuality until Daddy gives her away to her future husband, who has been vetted and shown to be a good Christian/Muslim.

The Left has a sincere desire to protect children.

They just got so caught up in

Stranger Danger and Sex Predators Everywhere!!!

that they totally forgot what a child is,

and how to honestly assess harm.

So everything they propose is counterproductive idiocy.

#SPR860

 

Over 400 million people live in EU countries where the age of consent is 14, 15, or 16

so that's a whole lot of normal respect for teens' bodily autonomy.

Civilized countries don't bring the cops in to try to do their parenting for them.

Only really fucked up countries do that

#SPR860

[–] SPR_860@lemmy.tf 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

again with the vile accusations

you're proving my point

[–] SPR_860@lemmy.tf 2 points 2 years ago (3 children)

bla bla bla

Lemmy is dominated by people like you who have no interest in serious discussion.

Just a big cheerleading session with lots of people who already agree with you.

[–] SPR_860@lemmy.tf 2 points 2 years ago (1 children)

Your virtue signalling will do exactly what it is designed to.

You will look like a truly moral person, and I will get banned for asking uncomfortable questions, and telling truths that nobody can stand seeing.

but nobody will learn anything. nobody's life will be better because of your dumb virtue signalling.

[–] SPR_860@lemmy.tf 1 points 2 years ago (7 children)

Yet you are unwilling to spend 2 minutes learning what pedophilia is.

[–] SPR_860@lemmy.tf 2 points 2 years ago

People HATE when you challenge their ideas.

Teens are not children.

Pedophilia has nothing to do with teens.

but simple facts like that will get you banned from social media.

Hmmmmmmm.

[–] SPR_860@lemmy.tf 1 points 2 years ago (10 children)

Unpopular opinion and a flurry of vile abuse follows.

It's like I said. There is no serious discussion on Lemmy.

[–] SPR_860@lemmy.tf 1 points 2 years ago

I posted an unpopular opinion and I was told to go fuck myself.

There is no serious discussion on Lemmy.

[–] SPR_860@lemmy.tf -1 points 2 years ago (13 children)

Any mention of teenagers being normal human beings with normal lives and rights is taboo.

Pedophilia has nothing to do with teenagers. Even giving the correct scientific definition of pedophilia will get you banned. Lemmy allows no serious discussion.

[–] SPR_860@lemmy.tf 0 points 2 years ago (15 children)

This 3-minute video explains it pretty well

https://kraut.zone/w/2UCgNSZ3tvKm6KTDCNHGDv .

[–] SPR_860@lemmy.tf -3 points 2 years ago (17 children)

You may think this is a joke or a pathetic cop out, but I was literally banned yesterday for posting 3 unpopular opinions in a Lemmy thread (which specifically asked for opinions which will get downvoted).

If I post them again, I'll be banned again within 24 hours.

(I have NEVER posted anything illegal or immoral)

[–] SPR_860@lemmy.tf -5 points 2 years ago (19 children)

pineapple on pizza is immoral and should be illegal

is expressing an unpopular opinion illegal or immoral?

unpopular opinions are not tolerated on Lemmy. no serious discussions will ever happen here.

[–] SPR_860@lemmy.tf -5 points 2 years ago (1 children)

So your view is that society is always right and no taboos should ever be challenged or discussed or debated. Okay.

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