I don't think that's true. Half of his kids have disowned him. He has a trans child he says was "killed by wokeness" who hates his guts.
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Democrats lost all on their own by pretending the economy was fine despite everyone clearly noticing it was not, and continuing to double down on supporting a deeply unpopular genocide. There are by far not enough 'tankies' in the US to sway an election like that. If we had that kind of power we'd be pushing our own party instead. 90 million people didn't vote in 2024, what are a couple thousand at most terminally online leftists compared to that?
Yes they did, and they're to blame for terrible messaging and gatekeeping democracy to force Kamala as the candidate without voter input.
The Democrats dropped a candy bar on the ground and Trump shit on the floor. They then asked what I wanted for dinner.
While I blame the democrats for dropping the candy on the ground, I blame voters for not voting against poo.
90 million people didn't vote in 2024, what are a couple thousand at most terminally online leftists compared to that?
OP threw out tankie as a bad faith term and we just kept using it
I assume when we say 'tankies' we're using the term as OP originally did, ie anyone who abstained from voting for Kamala because they don't support genocide?
Those are the people I'm talking about, not terminally online people.
The genocide was already bad under Democrats. No, we didn't forget that Genocide Joe sent Israel hundreds of shipments of weapons and supported them full-heartedly in their slaughter of the Palestinian people.
Yes. Joe was sending weapons to aid the genocide. That's terrible and no excuse.
In light of comparing him to Trump though, Biden tried to set up a dock to distribute aid to Gazans when Israel tried to block it and continually threatened to stop sending these weapons if Israel bombed certain regions or were undertaking operations with crazy high civilian casualties.
Trump's policy is "let them bomb" and deporting people who disagree.
If you choose not to decide, you still have made a choice.
Voting for Democrats would not have lead to fewer Gazan lives lost, because the Democrats don't give a fuck about Gazan lives. Biden was already giving them all the weapons they needed, and Harris made no indication she was going to change course. Harris would have enabled the genocide same as Trump.
Okay, that's a genuine argument if true.
I just am shocked you'd say that. I already demonstrated that Democrats care at least slightly more than Trump. Do you need a source for Biden providing aid and pressuring for Israel to deescalate while also funding them?
My god please take a step back and look at yourself. Examine your views and have an ounce of introspection.
I have, but I agree I should continue doing so going forward.
It is important to think hard on our values and that goes both ways.
So what protests are you going to? What are you doing to put pressure on the Dems?
So first of all, there's now the unfortunate truth that because of voters staying home it is now more dangerous to protest than it needed to be and could come at great personal risk, especially to non citizens.
That's not an excuse not to protest, but it is hypocritical of you guys to cause it to be much more risky to protest by allowing Trump to win and then try to blame others for not taking the risk.
I'm in Canada so Im not sure how to effectovely protest US politics from here.
I am boycotting American goods, and I have a recurring donation to the food bank to help bring aid to Gazans and other starving people.
In terms of Canadian politics, our government put an arms embargo on Israel so we aren't supposed to be funding them but as of 3 days ago apparently that promise is broken so going forward that's an open question.
If your point is that I could do more, you're certainly right. I'll think on that.
Leftists did not cost the Democrats the election, Democrats just suck. Harris got 68 million votes in 2024 to Biden's 81 million.
Yeah, they threw the election seemingly on purpose because transitionary president Biden who we already voted in as the lesser of two evils just to stop Trump's second term decided he would take up space and prevent new candidates from stepping forward.
It was already happening under Biden, you were just content to ignore it.
I'm not content to ignore it, it wasn't happening.
Show me 3 examples of university students having their green card revoked for attending a protest under Bidens administration and I will apologize.
I'm a lib but I want to have a dialogue that's less shit throwing and more genuine.
Just because someone is against Harris/the Democrats does not automatically mean they are in support of Trump/the Republicans.
Agreed.
This might come as a surprise to you, but we hate Trump and the GOP, too.
Not a surprise, totally know that and appreciate you guys for it.
We're just not under any illusions that the Democrats are going to fix anything.
So neither am I, but I feel frustrated because we need to be protesting and making noise on this issue.
Its frustrating because our shared goal is to end the genocide, but you guys by staying home that election sabotaged this goal for us both and made the genocide worse than before.
If you focus on the material conditions of Gaza and think "which vote is going to lead to less Gazan lives lost" voting for Kamala seemed like a no brainer.
It's only when you bring your own ego into it "well I will never support genocide" that comes across like you're willing to sacrifice Gazan lives to feel self righteous about your values.
Had many of these tankies voted Kamala instead of staying home it would be so mucy easier to form a protest and get the pressure cooking on the dems
But because they stayed home (regardless of justification you might have) we've now lost the right to protest and many university students, scientists and academics are being disappeared into the night for speaking out.
This simply would not have happened under Kamala.
You're not wrong about his smile but can't agree he's the "most" unsettling when Mr Beast exists.
Do people read this and fail to realize that the "calling everyone I disagree with is a Nazi" rhetoric is the exact same thing?
Like how Elon can do a full Nazi salute multiple times but then throw out some rhetoric about how "they call everyone Nazis" and everyone just buys it?
Yeah I can see how they're similar.
Would that work?
Sending C&D to the people using the AI while it's being hosted by OpenAI feels similar to sending a C&D to viewers who watch a copyrighted video on YouTube instead of the channel who uploaded it.
As long as it's hosted on the platform, C&Ding users of said platform feels like a game of whack-a-mole
Many have told me about “their god” and I take their word for it.
Resultantly I believe in all of “their gods”.
I'm following so far
And I drew a conclusion about that guy.
What do you mean "that guy". I thought we just established these are multiple guys?
I think “god” is a piece of shit unworthy of praise and we should seek to destroy and erase it.
What do you mean "it"? Don't you mean "them"?
I hate god and have no respect for god-fearing people and no tolerance for their “beliefs”
Why are you talking about a singular God here? It reads like you're blaming Yahweh for Zeus' sexual behaviour and you're blaming Hanuman for the Great Flood.
These aren't the same character. Each "God" claim needs to be evaluated separately.
For example why do you hate Persephene so much? Why is she a piece of shit. You claim to believe in her right Your reasons shouldn't include examples from the Bible.
Which supernatural make-believe system (read: religion ) is tolerant of my supernatural make-believe system?
You might find company among the Satanic Temple or other Satanists.
You said "Buddhism" was ruled out but you didn't actually clarify so until you present your reasoning I'd say Buddhism, Taoism, Confucianism and Jainism all lacking God's are partially compatible.
I mean to be fair there's not going to be a great answer because this isn't a real question but a gotcha. And I say that as an atheist.
You obviously don't actually believe in all the gods, your earlier language shows you haven't thought enough about what that means and force them all into the same one God.
The Hittites believed in "all the gods" and absorbed every new God of neighbors they conquered. But they truly believed in these gods, not as a gotcha question but they really believed in the power of these entities.
Regardless of personal moral views on their behavior, outwardly taunting that being seems silly in light of genuine faith.
Appreciate that!
Yeah this is a new concept for me. If it genuinely works and these family units are happy that is amazing for polyamorous people, I never knew you could do that!
I wouldn't want to project my baggage on them or try to discourage that relationship if they can find happiness and love that's what life's for.
I was just worried about potential harm if it didn't work out cause I know that situation would hurt me.
If that harm isn't there and I'm just straight ignorant I do get where the downvotes are coming from. Clearly I'm at least 20x more ignorant than I thought so...
Do you tell everyone everything about your lives? Do you not know anyone who prefers privacy?
If it's taboo to talk about polyamory but it's not taboo to talk about and dye your hair, then that is honestly a bit of a clue to me as to which one society considers more normal.
But to answer your question...
Yeah that open relationship couple I mentioned basically no one knows about. I'm one of 4 people in our wider friend group who they knew they could trust would be chill about it.
They're definitely not comfortable letting everyone know.
Wow, something you can physically see is obvious compared to something you have to be told about! I'm shocked. Shocked, I say. To the core.
Why are you mocking me about it? I didn't create the blue hair dye analogy. It clearly has flaws, which is part of why I responded to critique the analogy. It's a bad comparison, I agree.
Yes, polyamory is less visible than blue hair. You're right it would be harder to spot. That would be really important to take into account this visibility bias.
In fact I did take it into account, and despite that I felt at the time it's still a lot more common to dye your hair.
The Kinsey Institute reported (going off memory here) that about 10% of Americans have been in poly relationships, and about 15-20% are interested, with about 5% actively in a poly relationship.
Yep someone posted a study showing similar numbers on a different comment. That seems to corroborate the same stat.
There are definitely way more than you think, since you're basing it solely on people you know being interested in telling you about it.
Yep, about 20x more than I thought. Crazy!
I think you're right. We have to make assumptions to answer OPs question on whether she should be uncomfortable in light of so much missing info.
More information on how the boys feel about this arrangement would be really helpful in alleviating some of my fears, but the post is based exclusively on information from the daughter's POV so there's really no choice but trying to fill in the blanks to try to put the answer together.
I think that OP is intelligent enough to look into her own situation and decide whether my assumptions are applicable or not and discard my comment if the boys are really aware and content about this arrangement.
1 out of 9 people (10.7%) have engaged in polyamory at some point during their life
Sorry, is that strictly consenting polyamorous relationships?
People who cheat on their partners aren't being thrown in there are they?
If not, I should eat my hat, that's a way larger number than I could have imagined.
Edit: yes it appears that they're talking about consensual non monogamy. That's really interesting it really is more normal than I thought.
It is unfortunate that this doesn't shed light on the success of those relationships and only whether or not they happen.
I would still suspect they're less healthy and more complex to navigate on average compared to monogamy but we have no way to make a claim on that one way or the other it seems.
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Corporate interests in politics. You and me donating to our favored candidates is nothing compared to the big money and lobbyists mega corporations are throwing around.
Democrats can't offer fresh fruit because the chocolate lobby is funding the chocolafe democrat in the fruit democrats district.
It's not any one party's fault. It's a systemic issue. People who don't actually represent voters are being given disproportionately amount of money to run campaigns because they represent businesses.
That being said I don't know if we should be looking at party as a whole but also who the candidates are.
If we pushed more progressive candidates like AOC who do call out Israel and show up to primaries we can steer the party to a more reasonable direction while realizing the 2 party system is broken and needs fixing.
I dont see how disengaging entirely from electoralism helps.
You got to keep your "moral line" but if it was at the cost of worse material conditions in Gaza and means Gazans got more bombs and their aid and rights watch groups defunded then I'm not sure I agree that was worth it.
Your suggestion that the material conditions of Gaza under Kamala would have been equally bad doesn't feel very convincing.
And that's not even mentioning the genocide in Ukraine. Biden was at least on the right side of that, Trump is certainly not.
I only brought that up because it seemed at that time you were trying to accuse me of not doing enough by asking how many protests I go to.
I'm saying that if you chose not to vote against fascism, it's unfair to blame the people who did for not protesting now that it's way more dangerous and they might be abducted, tortured and deported for doing so.
Had Kamala won there would be much less fear of protesting against her government.
You guys didn't cause it per se, but you still can't seem to agree that a fascist is worse than a neoliberal and I just don't get what's not obvious about that.
There ya go. Then I will continue to insist that the abduction and systematic targeting of students and academics on grounds of "wokeness" wasn't happening under Biden.