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I still couldn't get it to work for some reason. Ripped JRE and JDK out with Revo, uninstalled the router, and just the same error. I ended up trying the "easy bundle" and that worked since I guess it has its own contained stuff. So aside from the loss of the setup I had, it is running. I might try again after they get more releases out with the new requirements to see if anything just starts working.

I might end up looking at newer stuff, but… how tf am I going to avoid shitty touchscreens, spyware, LED headlights, and all that garbage?

And going to get harder to avoid a lot of that stuff once enough of them eventually get into the much cheaper levels of the used market. Though by then (and even currently in the higher priced used levels) most of the stuff will no longer even be supported to use (even if you for some reason did find a need to use them and be okay paying).

I got a 2015 Rogue SV that stuff like nav or whatever other stuff doesn't even have access to the apps from Nissan to set them up. And was like one or two years behind Android Auto or even Apple's stuff. So can't just have the main screen just cast my phone's maps. Really only irritates me when I need to go into settings and see stuff for features I can't use if I wanted to do so. But the backup camera and phone pairing over blutooth for calls and music works, so that is nice to have and useful daily.

I am torn on replacing the head-unit like I did with my much older cars in the past. But those were so much more easy and "normal" to replace. I mostly worry that since it is much more integrated, that beyond just not flowing with the design, that there would be more problematic issues caused with the electrics (especially after seeing how much just replacing headlights with LEDs messed up a lot of cars when they were not a standard part) and the main computer.

Had really randomly bad issues with my last car's computer towards the last four or five years that I never had with much older cars before. But is also possible that aside from my much more abusive driving while being younger, that I just hadn't had something with any computer element (just the main one as it wasn't anything built-in with lots of features.

I think all of these also have Chrome versions, but still better on FF due to being able to install (or side-load if not listed or not whitelisted for mobile) onto the mobile version. The day I learned how to get non-whitelisted ones to install and install from xpi was game over for bothering with other mobile browsers.

• FastStream for downloading videos from YT and a lot of other sites (I daily use it for grabbing stuff on Twitter)
• Bypass Paywalls Clean for the obvious (this one is to the dev's not github but same kind of site site as it has to be installed via xpi)
• Watch on Odysee for seeing if a YT channel also uploads to Odysee to go watch there if possible and at least give my view there
• SponsorBlock for being able to skip hard-coded ads from the uploads and other sections of YT videos
• DeArrow for being able to view titles for YT videos that are more reflective of content
• Wayback Machine for saving pages to Archive.org along with saving them to my account on there.
• Privacy Possum for more aggressive blocking of tracking (though it does require remembering it is on if a site breaks as it will block things that uBO isn't the cause of the issue)

I really want to have them be a real option to consider whenever I get to needing a new phone. I can deal with lack of wireless charging (I haven't used it a lot on my current and last phones). But the downgrade of USB to 2.0 seems really odd. Would be less of an issue if they made parts like that able to use ones from older ones to get both more options for modding and for not wasting parts already made. Would also be great if they had some of the sandboxing that I hear Graphene folks talk about for being able to have Play Store apps but not give up being able to sideload apps that won't be enrolled in Google's BS new system (wishful thinking).

Not currently needing a new phone (hoping to get two more years minimum from my S24 Ultra I had to get to replace my broken S23 Ultra in January). So there is plenty of time to see what they release over the coming years. Would love to see if they can manage to get options for higher IP ratings while still being able to have self-repair. Even if they have to be really really clear about not being able to guaranty the rating if opened. I already tell people that even with iPhones that I fix using Apple's official/certified process, that they shouldn't trust the water resistance is 100% the same as out of the box (even then I get freaked out if my phone or my friends just jump into water lol).

In the end I just really want to see them and other OEMs that go out of their way to support real open bootloaders and self-repair be real options. My Samsung phones over the past 8 years have been great for at least useful features and at least being able to sideload apps (like all Android devices). But I haven't been able to try custom ROMs since their efuse tripping would mean I couldn't use Samsung Pay if I wanted to go back to their stock if I didn't like (or needed to revert back from) the custom ones.

It is annoying seeing the more hardcore GrapheneOS users that only ever answer people that ask about using a custom ROM act like it is an actual option for people who can't justify getting a whole new phone (though I want to say that I am not saying that is what you are doing, just so many comments on other threads). I am waiting for Google's anti-user stuff to eventually hit Pixel phones. If Graphene only bothers with Pixel and doesn't try to help with getting other devices working. Then all their effort will be made pointless whenever Google further locks things down.

Though if the Graphene folks do somehow make a major deal with an OEM (and keeps all the user control on the devices). Then I will be more than happy to eat my crow. At that point, I just hope that the devices are as flagship as the current Pixel phones. Having mid to low tier phones will be nice too, but I want to get something that doesn't feel like a downgrade out of the box (or a few months later). But I will need to look more into their efforts to partner with OEM(s) to see how that comes along.

You might be right on all of that. Might try using something like Revo to remove both JRE and JDK and then reinstall JDK and then I2P. Thank you for the additional ideas on this since I didn't consider the I2P install itself to be an issue since it gave zero issues with reinstalling the 8 JRE.

Well I removed the Java 8 JRE and installed 25 JDK and still get the error about needing at least Java 1.04 (or maybe 1.4) to run. Maybe an issue with the I2P Router program not currently understanding the JDK install? I am keeping 25 JDK installed but will have 8 JRE too for now I guess. Unless there is something I am missing?

Thanks for the reply, I will try it out. I2P is not something I use everyday, but it has made some really good jumps since I first started messing with it a few years ago. So I hope that the new requirements will mean that it keeps making those jumps.

Just ranting

I get that at least some amount of lawmakers may just really and truly want to protect children and jump to creating laws that involve lots of things that they have no real understanding. And blowback that can and will be created by hyper focusing on a micro level (even if they think they are thinking macro) points. But there are far more of them that just want to keep one-upping other lawmakers in being "the most proactive" or "tough on crime" compared to other folks in power because of all the money they get ever election cycle (which never end).

I know why it would be a massive shitshow (the "antichrist" crowd turns every little thing into a "sign"), but kind of wondering when they will just push for laws to put pet style GPS chips in all children at this point. I mean it isn't really much of a jump that they could require phones used by children to be forced to have GPS (and data) be registered to state level tracking (just like all the stuff collected by NSA already). But that wouldn't be enough for the one-upping shit, and GPS chips would be usable if the devices aren't with the children (or ones that don't have devices yet). All extreme levels of shit, but eventually seems like they would be the only levels that could "go further to protect children" at some point.

I really look forward to seeing all the "fuck privacy even if you don't have children" crowd catch literally all possible bad things that their own laws create happen to them personally. We already know that basically all the previous efforts to have kids only versions of things end up just creating massive targets for the very predators to get to the kids. And that automated flags can turn into so much false reporting without any real ways for the flagged accounts to speak with actual people to correct those false reports (YT being a great example even without anything involving children).

The government already slashes funds for things that aren't police/military (things like the already existing social services that are for kids/education/families never have money for even general staffing). And the private contracted (for profit) companies already find ways to make more than the government contracts by making paid tiers and constant ads. So those private entities shouldn't be trusted with data on children in the first place.

Nothing wrong with finding small hopes here and there where you can. I too had briefly thought about Samsung's store (I have an S24 Ultra, Tab S8+, and my old S20+) maybe being large and known enough by more users than F-Droid. But their lack of press releases pushing back on Google was what told me enough. If Samsung's store was actively used more than the Play Store on their phones (and had enough really popular apps that weren't also on the Play Store), then it would at least be something.

Sadly even if Samsung's store is able to somehow get a pass by Google, I highly doubt that the devs of apps that are only on F-Droid would list them on there. And would still only help Samsung devices (though I know I would start using Samsung's store a lot more if those devs did list them on there). Though I might find reasons to use my S20+ for some apps that I like having but don't use daily, and my tablet is on Android 15 so it will be used for stuff I use more often (never thought I would be excited for it to not get major updates).

The main actively used daily app that I am dreading losing (due to the current dev not planning to ever list their active fork on Play Store) is SyncThing-Fork on my Android devices (use different SyncThing apps for PC/Steam Deck). It has been the only multi-platform sync program that actually works correctly for my password vault on my Android devices. Though it is possible that the dev might get it whitelisted, but I am not going to hold my breath. As the main dilemma on a per app level is that the more apps that fall in line ends up supporting Google's actions, but at the same time not getting whitelisted means just going away (at least on fully updated Android 16+ devices).

Would be nice, but I imagine that Samsung would both need to actually be impacted in an meaningful way with their store, and find some way to prevent Play Services (which they have to meet requirements to be able to load on their devices) from just nope-ing non-registered apps. Both of which I seriously doubt would happen.

They have already been working pretty close with Google on things that removed their actual Tizen OS from stuff like their watches in favor of merging their code into Android Wear OS. Would also guess that they might just work something out to either force apps on their store to be signed by Samsung and cleared by Google. Or that they just require apps on their store to only be listed after registering with Google. Not like Samsung really cares about supporting side-loading if the apps aren't in their (or Google's) store.

Sadly I think only a OEM like Samsung would have the massive levels of hardware sales and money for making a real fight against Google. F-Droid and other alt-stores or projects lack both and are easy to ignore. If Samsung were to be actually concerned about this, then I think we would have already seen them filing lawsuits and pushing posts/news articles condemning Google's plans like F-Droid keeps doing (aside from lawsuits due to money).

Sorry if my wording was bad. I meant installing Irfanview with WINE. Xnview having versions for the different platforms is a major good thing. If I can get myself to use it more than I do Irfanview, then I at least know any future jumps to daily using Linux or Mac OS will work fine (at least for image viewing lol).