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Black Friday - 2023 (self.usenettalk)
submitted 1 year ago by ksr_ut to c/usenettalk

I so wanted to post BF 2023 deals here, but I didn't realize that the markdown used here (CommonMark) does not support tables.

Please refer to the post on reddit till I find some kind of workaround.

[-] ksr_ut 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I get a "No Posts" message on my group. The default sort method is "Active." And mods have no way of modifying group settings to change it to something sensible.

Yet another example of user-hostility in software design with Lemmy. The hit-or-miss nature of syncing across instances is another big irritant.

[-] ksr_ut 3 points 1 year ago

Even though I called it a "plan B" in my post on r/UsenetTalk, I did qualify it with a "or A, if you wish." I did that because I don't truly believe in the idea of a back up community.

A community either exists, or it doesn't.

This Black Friday, I am thinking of making the primary deals post here, with a link from reddit.

[-] ksr_ut 2 points 1 year ago

Would you know, by just looking at Google Groups, that it provides access to Usenet discussions? They have done all they can to obfuscate the matter.

[-] ksr_ut 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

to make USENET profitable

Hosting binaries is costly. Text is fairly cheap.

Any reasonably technically competent person can host it online for < $100/y if they want a replacement for web forums. You could even write a brand new nntp server in less than a week. The standard is simple.

If you want federation, then you have to consider peering with other servers to share feeds.

corporate overlords will adopt it without replacing it.

I don't think corporations help here. Google famously bought DejaNews and tried an EEE move on usenet with Google Groups.

[-] ksr_ut 4 points 1 year ago

accessibility to “normal” people ... we need to have a big-name provider offer free access with no strings attached; no walled garden, no caveats.

This is the point I have been arguing over on the subreddit with a user who is looking at it merely from a technical angle instead of from a regular end-user angle. I have been suggested options like browser extensions.

My answer:

The problem is access + bandwidth. What is easier?

[-] ksr_ut 6 points 1 year ago

Perhaps.

It is irritating to see all these new discussion platforms reinventing the wheel. They could have tried to build themselves on top of usenet. The distribution problem, at scale, has already been solved there. All they had to do was concentrate on usability. Now, it takes hours for a community to be visible elsewhere.

[-] ksr_ut 4 points 1 year ago

It might be a local newsgroup.

[-] ksr_ut 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I don't know the details. My guess, based on the FAQ, is the sdf.* hierarchy would be accessible internally while the public newsgroups (comp.* etc) would be dealt with in the regular manner.

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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by ksr_ut to c/usenettalk

It is ironical that we talk about usenet everywhere but on usenet. Events like the blackout on reddit and the scramble to move to alternate platforms would hardly be necessary if usenet worked clearly as a discussion platform.

While everyone blames spam for the slow death of discussions on usenet, I think there are a couple of other reasons:

  • access over http
  • searchability

These two reasons are why Google Groups continues to work while discussions on usenet barely do.

Usenet has to evolve to provide solutions to these problems:

  • spam: moderated groups are an insufficient solution when compared to moderation tools provided by modern discussion platforms.
  • usenet over http: people should be able to carry on discussions using browsers as well as apps. They should be able to share links to these discussions as well.
  • search: people should be able to conduct a search across all discussions by using native as well as third-party search engines (Google, Bing, Brave etc).
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/r/UsenetTalk on Lemmy (self.usenettalk)
submitted 1 year ago by ksr_ut to c/usenettalk

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