lancalot

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[–] lancalot@discuss.online 49 points 2 months ago (2 children)

So with the recent drama it looks like bcachefs isn’t going to stay in the kernel for too long.

That's way too doomsaying. Even after ReiserFS' developer was sentenced in 2006, it took till 2022 for it to be deprecated. And it has only recently been left out of of the kernel.

[–] lancalot@discuss.online 1 points 2 months ago

Or ‘do worse than’.

I think I like this one as well. Basically, as you'll see later on, the expression is (probably) best translated as 'to be inferior'. Combined with the negation that's brought with "don't", we could rephrase the sentence as 'Honestly, in terms of ease to play, SteamOS (or clones like Bazzite) aren't inferior to Windows.'.

‘steamos doesnt under-do windows in terms of gaming’

Another one that I like 😜. But, the double 'do' is indeed a bit awkward.

Mind if i ask what language the expression ‘do under’ is from?

Sure! It's an expression found in Dutch. Heck, to be more precise, it's a verb that can be split: 'onderdoen', but also 'doen onder'. The literal translation would be, as you'd expect 'underdo' or 'do under'. Here's the (English) wiktionary entry.

Also agree with everything you said about OSes. I had tried linux in the past but mostly stuck to windows for gaming, then i got a steam deck and ill never install windows ever again.

Valve has truly outdone itself. While I only started using Linux after Proton's release, the horror stories from the pre-Proton era still send shivers down my spine.

[–] lancalot@discuss.online 24 points 2 months ago

Excellent write-up!

Though, it's a pity that a great ambassador of OpenBSD has stopped using it.

[–] lancalot@discuss.online 1 points 2 months ago

It doesn't get much better than Digital Foundry's coverage on the matter.

Spoiler alertPerformance is about similar. So no significant performance issues.

[–] lancalot@discuss.online 7 points 2 months ago

We were able to, up until Riot chose to mess it up for everyone (including us).

[–] lancalot@discuss.online 1 points 2 months ago

however, for them to be “main”, they should have “derivatives”,

Got you. Aight. I suppose that does disqualify NixOS. Though, to be fair, Guix System is heavily inspired from NixOS.

I also tried Nix OS, the use of 1 config file is refreshing, however that ease comes at the cost of some flexibility, installing Steam there is too complicated for me

Hehe 😜. Yeah, the paradigm shift associated with NixOS isn't one that's overcome in one sitting. But it's cool to hear that you've tested it for yourself.

Anyhow, this was a cool interaction. Thank you for offering your insights! Wish you, my akhi in (at least) humanity, a lovely day!

[–] lancalot@discuss.online 4 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (2 children)

Apologies. Allow me to clarify.

I meant that it's not harder than Windows, when it comes to playing games. And I even made that claim stronger by proclaiming that it's probably even easier.

Edit: SteamOS is the operating system found on the Steam Deck. It's basically Arch Linux (btw), but with Valve's (very) special sauce. It's what you'd expect from your average game console; which is a good thing*.

[–] lancalot@discuss.online 15 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago) (7 children)

Honestly, in terms of ease to play, SteamOS (or clones like Bazzite) don't ~~do under~~ fall short of Windows. Heck, I'd argue they might even be easier.

The real issue is anti-cheat. But that's just the next hurdle we'll have to overcome.


Edit: TIL that the expression "to do under" has no place in English.

[–] lancalot@discuss.online 1 points 2 months ago (2 children)

I suppose that's a fair assessment. Thanks for the clarification!

However, I do give precedence over their current situations.

  • So, if e.g. Arch would continue to exist, but ultimately became the downstream/derivative of another distro, then I would stop regarding it as 'main'. Which one may argue happened between RHEL and Fedora.
  • Similarly, if a derivative starts building their own repos and becomes entirely independent from the distro they were originally derived from, then I'd stop regarding them as a derivative. Instead I'd acknowledge them as an independent distro. Like how openSUSE ultimately is derived from Slackware, but they're hardly comparable today.

Regarding NixOS, it and other independent distros are absent in the link you provided. NixOS is literally its own thing and also old; older than Ubuntu and Android for example. So, if anything, it did deserve a mention. Though, I suppose the maker of that website didn't think it was relevant enough to be included over three years ago. NixOS' popularity has thankfully exploded in the mean time, though.

[–] lancalot@discuss.online 1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

I'll keep it brief. But it comes down to the fact that, out of the more popular distros, it's only officially supported on Ubuntu.

[–] lancalot@discuss.online 3 points 2 months ago (4 children)

I suppose we differ in our definitions. Which is absolutely fine, to be honest*.

For completeness' sake, IMO it's basically the intersection of Major Distributions and Independent Distributions. Which happens to consist of Arch, Debian, Fedora, Gentoo, openSUSE and Slackware.

Out of these, Arch and Gentoo don't have defaults, but their documentation uses ext4 most frequently for examples. For the remaining four, Fedora and openSUSE default to Btrfs. While Debian and Slackware default to ext4.

In all fairness, one might argue that Distrowatch's list of major distros is arbitrary. Therefore, we could refine what's found above by including actually data. For this, I'll use Boiling Steam's usage chart based on ProtonDB's data. This ain't perfect either, but it's the best I can do. Here, we notice how both Gentoo and Slackware are not represented. Furthermore, NixOS poses as a candidate instead. For which, we find that (if anything) ext4 is the default. Regardless, it doesn't actually impact the earlier outcome:

  • Arch (and Gentoo) don't have defaults
  • Debian(, Slackware and NixOS) default to ext4
  • Fedora and openSUSE default to Btrfs

Anyhow, what are the main distros according to you? Please offer an exhaustive list, please. Thanks in advance!

[–] lancalot@discuss.online 2 points 2 months ago (6 children)

none of the “main” distros default to BTRFS, just “derivatives” default to BTRFS

So you don't regard Fedora (or openSUSE) as "main" distro?

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