[-] passinglurker@startrek.website 14 points 1 year ago

They did it again TOS purists

spoileryou wanted a rubber suit, so they gave you a rubber suit.

Yes, I need more ENT! The era had a unique semi-grounded scifi quality to it. But make it an animation so I don't have to hear folks repeat "no more prequels!" and "where's legacy!?" Ad nausium.

a refitted Intrepid-class and outfitted with technology Voyager gathered from her 7-year journey through the Delta Quadrant. It has 29 decks, 800+ crew and 2 schools, compared to Voyager’s 15 decks and 160 crew.

How do you fit 14 extra decks into a refit? with that many decks this ship would be the size of a sovereign class.

[-] passinglurker@startrek.website 16 points 1 year ago

I quite like the show, but I find it jarring how the tone shifts so dramatically between episodes.

Welcome back to episodic story telling, you may not realize it but people leveled the same at TNG, VOY, and DS9, and when ENT tried to tighten things up with a more consistent tone people got bored and killed the franchise...

Maybe if the goofiness had been spread over 20+ episodes of a season, it wouldn’t have felt that way. But 3/10 (out of 9, so far, I’m still hoping I can watch the last episode) just seems too high a ratio.

We're looking at 5 out of 20 with season 1 and 2 combined 25% goof seems to be well within tolerable parameters. Pluss if this has been a 20 episode season as in the old days then like in the old days only half of them would be memorable and all the goofs would naturally be catagorized as memorable.

Complaining about season length as if it suddenly makes memorable episodes bad its just senseless whingeing.

ENT's trip to 1944 between seasons 3 and 4. Or in other words what must be the writer's "you made us make this temporal cold war cake and by koala we are gonna make you eat it" letter to the execs.

TNG had the strong implication that holodeck technology was pretty new, in the first season, at least at that level of sophistication.

It wouldn't be the first time TNG-1 would be retconned by DS9/VOY/ENT/TNG-3+ though. While less extreme It was a bit like the early DIS/PIC of its day.

I'm not keen on "in between the episodes" episodes, you'd either be viewing them out of order or alternating between two different casts.

Contrast that with releasing a TOS “season 4” which uses these same characters and sets, and like all Star Trek leans on similar tropes, but isn’t outright recreating anything.

Technically that's already been done with TAS... Would a TAS remaster similar to TOS-R be out of the question? basically keep the voice acting (and other sfx since I expect it can't be isolated) but reanimate it from the ground up?

While I welcome the more flexible interpretation of TOS visuals to make a world that is more immersive and functional while still keeping the color, and perceived campiness, I'd draw a hard line against making a genuine "Re-TOS" as it were. The idea of overwriting, or demoting old performances strikes me as a path to perpetual reboots and origin story retellings like we see with comic book superhero's, and seems a tad rude to trek's own past and how it got here.

Its also pretty unnecessary, folks often talk about how they want to see the old stories updated for a modern audience, but its often the case that the same stories have been retold with different characters and places already throughout trek's subsequent series, and as a result we are flush with ways to retell TOS's hit scenarios without crossing that line. Naked Time(TOS) vs Naked Now(TNG) vs Singularity(ENT) would be a commonly cited example, and we even already saw SNW demonstrate one such way to go about this with "a quality of mercy" a time traveling what-if reimagining of "balance of terror" had pike been captain and not kirk.

I accept and expect paramount to still be making at least one show set in the 23rd century for as long as SNW and its successors do well, but these should be used to look forward and expand on the time period not backwards at where we've already gone before.

C'mon mate that's quitter talk, making the mess make sense is half the fun of startrek continuity. Plus as time has gone on and the teams involved have gained hands on experience making trek the contributions have progressively gotten more constructive with the continuity rather than combative.

[-] passinglurker@startrek.website 5 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

ENT era.

Externally speaking Starfleet ships march to the beats of NACA/NASA X-planes, Klingon embrace a very soviet yet alien look in contrast, Vulcans look advanced and sleek yet ancient and mythical with the biggest pointiest toys on the block.

Internally speaking construction is depicted as having limits, tech and interfaces are familiar to real world, cramped ship like rooms are the norm, and there's no handwaving over how everything might fit inside the ships.

Xindi showed up in the later half of PRO. They ran security at a seedy trade hub the kids were trying to hitch hike from. The thing was though that these were Xindi Reptilians and this was a snowy Ice world... Kinda a problem when ENT dedicated screen time to saying Reptilians were cold blooded (though to be fair Reptilian's did have an inclination to bio-engineering they could have just made themselves warm blooded).

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