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Math has nothing to do with it. My argument is against a political party that screws over it's voting base. I don't see how math fits into that.

Again, I wish I had the day that I voted for as well, but I'm not going to get it because of said political party.

Fun fact: I never did those things, so I'm not sure why that's relevant. I said I disagree with non-voters, but I understand where they are coming from. I think they still should be voting.

Instead of voting for the party that was at least amenable to curbing Israel, was amenable to continuing aid, they indirectly supported the fascist that literally said he wanted to pave Gaza & build resorts.

Amenable? They openly and explicitly said they were going to keep backing Israel no matter what. In fact, they chose to lose the election instead of give up support for genocide.

I wish I had the day I voted for. I voted for housing and healthcare for all, taxing the rich, and defunding war. Instead we have Trump, because the Democrats wanted money, power, and genocide instead of fighting for their citizens.

EDIT: The top of my comment here is flippant and low-effort. I can do better, but I'll leave this up for transparancy

And those didn't pass because.....? I'll leave that as an exercise in understanding gaslighting to the reader.

EDIT: Better response:
H.R. 4797 - Severly less than what I want, and never even got to a vote
S. 4897 - Looks like this got read twice, then abandoned
H.R. 2804 - Still far less than what I want, and never got to a vote
H.R. 6593 - far less than what I waned, far less than what he promised. Never went anywhere
S. 1220 - far less than what I wanted. Never went anywhere

Yet when it came to bombing innocent people, backing a genocide, cutting off the highly popular covid-aid programs, and a bunch of other stuff that I didn't want, they sure were able to get that done. Weird, how they were so busy doing what I didn't want, that they couldn't push through what I did want.

I admit that I stand corrected, and they did try a few bills that were almost what I wanted, they were obviously weak-effort attempts that went nowhere. But I think my ultimate point stands though: why should I be happy about that?
/end EDIT

Biden forgave tens of billions of dollars, but that is a far cry from what he promised, and what he promised is a far cry from actually solving the problem.

They Dems couldn't get these things done, but they sure were able to bomb the shit out of innocent people, fast-fund the border-wall, increase funding to the Pentagon, and bail out their rich friends.

The DNC literally represents your exact views and you call them a piece of shit, this is why the country is the way it is.

No, the DNC talks about these views, but when they have the chance, they never actually get them through

I don't see how accurately representing something is a strawman, but you do you

I feel like saying "please don't bomb children", or "please don't support a genocide", or "please make healthcare affordable", or "make the rich pay taxes" is a far cry from "cater to me or else". Those seem like very reasonable requests to me. Maybe if the Dems (the ones with the money, the power, and the platform) actually listened when their voter-base warned them, we wouldn't be in the "or else" scenario.

I disagree with people that decided not to vote, but standing in line for 4 hours, in bad weather, just to have an option between two genocidal, child-killing parties that are gonna work lock-step into screwing over the working class? or for the chance to vote for a third party that won't get elected?

Nah, I can disagree with the non-voters, but I also understand why they aren't interested. You are correct, voting isn't supposed to be a love-letter. Its supposed to be support for a political system. But if both of the major players in that policital system are gonna screw you over, I can understand the apathy.

But you certainly don't understand that.

I understand how it works perfectly. Parties that fight against war, genocide, and the rich don't get elected because the two parties keep them off the ballot.

It's always amazing to me that people blame the voters for the state of things, instead of blaming the people with the money, the power, and the platform, who explicitly went against what the voters said they wanted.

The Biden Admin was not a single state advocate.

That's fair. It was a genocidist admin though, which is what people are mad about.

Are you referring to some other bill? Or are you just disingenuous full of shit?

Where was the dems proposed bill to fix our educational system so that it doesn't put students into debt? Where was the proposed bill to give health-care for everyone? Where was the proosed bill to fix our housing crisis? Where was the proposed bill to make the rich pay their fair share of taxes?

The Dems had the chance to propose these bills under both Biden and Obama, but they didn't. You miss every shot that you don't take.

Additionally, they could have used a bunch of executive orders to fix a lot of these issues, even if it was just nibbling around the edges, but chose not to. They were too busy funding wars, torture programs, and dropping bombs on kids to focus on helping out americans.

Running shitty candidates and bad policy? yeah, that was indeed stupid

The single state solution that the current admin supports is Genocide.

Yeah, I never said otherwise. I'm not sure what you mean by this, can you explain?

Before that we had a confused old man withholding purchased weapons, building a pier to distribute aid, and swearing over the phone about the consequences of attacking Rafah.

You mean the child-killing, rapist and genocidist? Yeah, I saw him make a token effort with the bridge, that didn't really help. I saw him make a few red-lines that were crossed, and his response was to send a buch more weapons to help out with the genocide.

Anybody who advocates against the DNC because of Israel-Palestine conflict is beyond disingenuous, you should move that to the bottom of your list to at least have some semblance of credibility.

I don't see how this follows. I can be against the DNC supporting a genocide, while also being against Trump for supporting a genocide. In fact, it's pretty easy to just universally be against genocide, no matter who is backing it.

The DNC were surprised by the Trump candidacy and you say otherwise twice on your list.

I never said they weren't supprised by it, I said they supported it, which they did. Clinton pushed for Trump because she thought it would be an easy win.

Biden was good for the economy with workers rights, wages, and public investment all increasing dramatically.

No he wasn't. He was good with making his rich friends richer, but housing, wages, education, medical-care, got worse. His economy was only good if you focus on the rich and ignored the working class and poor. He also shot-down the rail-workers strike when an actual pro-union president would have supported it.

Everything else you mentioned they try constantly but can't do much without 60 in the senate.

The Dems always say that they can't do anything, even with a majority, because the Republicans will block them. But once the Republicans have a majority, the Dems sure can't seem to block them back. So which is it? Does having a majority allow you to do what you want? or can you still be blocked? It's almost like politicians are liars, who are willing to sucker people in for votes, then toss them aside whenever it's convenient

If that's the biggest complaint you hear, then I feel like you should broaden your reading list.

How about:

1. Backing a genocide
2. Backing a rapist who bombed children as a presidental candidate
3. Telling people the economy is actually really good, when it clearly isn't
4. Supporting campaigns like Trump's
5. Pretending to care about things like health care, student debt, foreign wars, the housing crisis, then getting into office (with a majority), and doing jack-shit about them. Sometimes even exacerbating them

Those are all just to start

No, they looked at what Harris was selling, and were justifiably disgusted. I voted against Trump, who is a monsterous PoS, but lets not pretend that Harris was a good candidate.

Trump being worse doesn't mean Biden didn't back a genocide. He deserves all the hate and more for being such a monster