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My explanation is:

I agree that vaccines should be mandatory. I'm fully vaxxed on basically everything and even my dog gets their vaccinations. I trust in science and data.

That said, forcing people to do something they don't want to do is not good for social cohesion. A better way is meeting them where they are and educating them. This is not happening and instead we are belittling them, ostracizing them etc. This is why they are protesting, pushing back and being a problem, because they feel attacked.

It doesn't matter who is right because both think they are right.

Their arguments do have some merit, ie the government can't just decide for you to under go a procedure. We shouldn't just trust governments or scientists blindly or "it's for the greater good", that is basically the same as religion. They should instead be educated on why they can at least trust scientists and why scientists come to the conclusions they do, even if they aren't biologists themselves. And why the government makes the decisions it does. Like sure, YOU probably won't get sick, but when you're dealing with millions and millions of people, a single sub percentage point can make the difference between everyone getting through it, or the health system buckling under pressure and failing, letting hundreds of thousands die.

They dont think like that. They've never been taught to, and that's a failing of the education system.

Sure you will always have dissenters, but the point is to minimize them so they don't affect the outcome much by refusing treatment.

I hope that makes sense.

On the petition you linked:

There are no plans to amend UK consumer law on disabling video games. Those selling games must comply with existing requirements in consumer law and we will continue to monitor this issue.

Should make a Lemmy bot to do this automatically, lol.

Agree. Just copied the headline from the article.

Hey, I added Burnaby, Anmore, Squamish, Whistler, Niagara Falls and Niagara on the Lake.

https://lemmy.ca/c/Burnaby

https://lemmy.ca/c/Anmore

https://lemmy.ca/c/Squamish

https://lemmy.ca/c/Whistler

https://lemmy.ca/c/NiagaraFalls

https://lemmy.ca/c/NiagaraOnTheLake

Will moderate them, but looking for new mods who might live in these areas. I've lived either in or near them. And still visit.

Very displeasing.

Its not as absolute as it sounds. While vaccines do have externalities (eg: protection of others via herd immunity), so do the others I mentioned:

Refusing medical care can increase long-term public healthcare costs, especially in countries with socialized medicine, luke Canada

Eating garbage food or drinking excessively leads to chronic disease burdens (obesity, diabetes, liver disease), again impacting public systems and reducing workforce productivity. You could argue that this is mitigate through alcohol tax.

Abortion is more complicated, but opponents would argue there's another life at stake, so from their moral framework, it's not purely personal either.

The "freedom ends at someone else's face" is useful but oversimplified. The real challenge is defining when individual choices cross the line into collective consequences, and which ones merit state intervention. Vaccines are one of the clearest examples, yes, but they're not the only ones with spillover effects.

So my point is how do you define that line, legally? I think it needs to remain pragmatic. Societies change faster than laws do.

First line of the bitcoin whitepaper deals with this lol.

I agree. I'm from Australia, and vaccinations are mandatory and required, like you will be ordered by a court, and have your children removed if they are not vaccinated type of thing. I agree with this law.

I think people downvoting here are not understanding what I'm saying, or I didn't explain it well enough. I'm not saying anti vaxxers are right. I am saying they have some merit with their arguments, but ultimately they only think these ideas due to lack of education and critical thinking.

I agree with you, but that is not THEIR perspective. Many of them believe abortion IS murder.