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Representative Don Bacon, a Nebraska Republican, told NBC News' Kristen Welker on Sunday that according to lawyers hired by Congress, "at this point, there's not a specific crime that's been committed" by President Joe Biden in the impeachment probe against him.

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[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world -4 points 5 months ago

There's three problems with that argument, and I don't want to bore you with text so I'll keep this short.

  1. This isn't true.

  2. Even if it were true, that definition of "sex" wasn't relevant to the statements he made on TV.

  3. I don't believe his version of events.

In other words, Bullshit, bullshit, and bullshit.

For more detail

  1. Two of the three criteria for sex were sticken by the judge during the deposition for being overly broad. The remaining narrow criteria was, verbatim,
  1. Contact with the genitalia, anus, groin, breast, inner thigh, or buttocks of any person with an intent to arouse or gratify the sexual desire of any person;

The definition says "any person" not just Lewinsky. She had contact with his genitals, so they were engaged in sex. To suggest that she was engaged in sex and he was not is a lie.

  1. Outside the deposition where that overly narrow definition of sex was relevant, he looked into a camera on TV and said "I did not have sexual relations with that woman." He did have sexual relations with that woman. That was a lie.

  2. Lewinsky claimed Clinton groped her during their encounters. That is, by the narrow definition, sex. He said he didn't touch her at all, and she just sucked his dick. Have you ever had your dick sucked, or sucked a dick? His version of events does not ring true, and given the conflicting testimonies, I'm not inclined to believe the guy that I know is a liar.

You're right that facts don't change. Clinton did lie about his extramarital affairs. Denying facts is something conservatives do. Don't be like conservatives.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Clinton did lie about his extramarital affairs

not to Congress, and not under oath. Not technically.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago

Under oath during a deposition, yes he did lie. I just explained how he lied.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 4 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

No, he didn’t tho.

It’s history, and this is getting boring. He didn’t technically lie. You can post as many walls of text as you like, but you can’t change what happened.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

He did lie in every meaning of the word, and pretending he didn't is some boomer head-in-the-sand bullshit.

He said he didn't touch her breasts, genitals, buttocks, or thighs while she was blowing him. She said he did grab those parts of her body while she was blowing him. He smoked cigars that had been inside of her, but he never touched her? Not once? Not a smack on the ass or a titty squeeze?

Do you really believe that?

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 4 points 5 months ago

He did lie in every meaning of the word

But not in the technical aspect as the republicans laid out in their definition while he was under oath.

Look, you lost this argument the instant you began it, and every time you respond, I’m just gonna reply telling you that. Forever.

Give. It. Up.

You’re wrong.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

He did lie in the technical aspect as the Republicans laid out in their definition while he was under oath. I've already demonstrated that. You haven't made any argument other than "nuh uh" and you want to dance around like you won.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 4 points 5 months ago

No. Just stop. You’re never going to win this argument.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world -3 points 5 months ago

See, you think reality is an argument to win. You can have your opinions, but you don't get your own facts. I don't need to convince you.

[-] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 3 points 5 months ago

Your type is so annoying.

"He lied to Congress!"

"No he didn't, per the definition the Congress gave of the act, he didn't lie."

"But he did lie! To his family!"

"Doesn't matter. We're talking about lying to Congress, and he technically didn't lie."

"But he lied!"

"Nope."

"Yes, he did!"

"Nope."

"YES HE DID!"

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

What the fuck are you talking about? I never mentioned his family. He lied under oath in his deposition. There's no technicality to it. Even with the absurdly twisted definition of "sex", he did have sex with her and said he didn't. I pointed this out six times.

You're trying to rewrite history in this comment thread.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

Give. It. Up.

You lost this argument the moment you started it.

[-] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Stop feeding this troll, friend. It's probably a bot anyway.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

That's what I keep trying to tell you, it was never an argument. You're just delusional. You haven't argued anything. None of your comments contain arguments, just denials.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

I’m sorry that you can’t cope with the fact that you’re wrong and that Clinton didn’t lie to Congress.

You can keep this going for days or weeks or months, but I’ll just keep telling you that. Deal with it.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago

You keep saying "to Congress." Nobody ever accused him of that. He lied under oath in a deposition and to a grand jury. He said he didn't have sex or sexual relations with Lewinsky, and he did. He had sex with her mouth, and he groped her breasts and fingered her vagina, which falls under the definition of sex provided to him. Those things all happened, he swore an oath to tell the truth,and then he said he didn't. That's literally, technically, and in all other ways exactly what happened. He lied, and pretending he didn't is gaslighting. You can keep claiming it didn't happen, but we all know it did and nobody is going to believe you.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Another wall of text, more of you not letting it go.

You lost the argument as soon as you started it. Get. Over. It.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago

"Oh no, a paragraph of information I don't like."

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

Another wall of text, more of you not letting it go.

You lost the argument as soon as you started it. Get. Over. It.

[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago

Reading is fundamental. There's no shame in asking for help.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago
[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world -1 points 5 months ago* (last edited 5 months ago)

Ok, please, help me help you. For the sake of all humanity, go back and read the comment thread. Because you're not doing anybody any good being belligerently ignorant.

[-] gregorum@lemm.ee 2 points 5 months ago

more of you not letting it go.

You lost the argument as soon as you started it. Get. Over. It.

[-] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

It's definitely a bot. It's kinda fun to watch it insisting at it. It's like a Wrong Argument Terminator.

"It doesn't eat, it doesn't sleep, it won't stop until it has the last word."

[-] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago
[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Reality is upsetting to a lot of people.

[-] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Lol you're a good bot! :)

[-] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago
[-] themeatbridge@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Every accusation is an admission.

[-] laughterlaughter@lemmy.world 1 points 5 months ago

Lol you're a good troll! :)

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