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I’m not even American, so it doesn’t affect me directly, but I am scared to death of a Trump presidency.

I am one of those people here who think that Biden is a far more competent executor of imperialist policies compared to Trump, but what I am even more afraid of is the early death of nascent left wing movements in America.

I am reminded of how the KPD getting its leaders murdered by Freikorps thugs during the Spartacist uprising (mind you, a much stronger party than any leftist movement in America today), and how its continued suppression paved the way to Nazi Germany.

Project 2025 will effectively embolden fascist thugs in America to do the same to the left wing movements, many of which are still in their cradle, and the death of leftist movements in their infancies will inevitably pave the way to a fascist America and undo many of the progress that had been made over decades.

The world cannot afford a fascist America. Imagine Hitler with nukes. The world will have to pay a much, much larger price as a result.

On this reasoning alone, I believe that Trump needs to be stopped at all cost. But many here have disagreed with me, and I need you to persuade me why I shouldn’t be afraid of Project 2025 at all. Even if the chance of that happening is 10%, I’m still not ready to gamble with it.

(I’m not saying we have to support Biden, I believe it is somewhat inevitable, I’m saying that we have to buy ourselves as much time as possible, even if it means strategic voting, to build a resilient leftist movement while delaying the inevitable for as long as we can.)

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[-] BakedBeanEnjoyer@hexbear.net 49 points 8 months ago

I am reminded of how the KPD getting its leaders murdered by Freikorps thugs during the Spartacist uprising

The liberals of the time supported and funded the Freikorps in doing this. You couldn't have prevented this by doing the German equivalent of "Vote Blue" Democrats would absolutely support and embolden the mobs if they formed today.

But many here have disagreed with me, and I need you to persuade me why I shouldn’t be afraid of Project 2025 at all. Even if the chance of that happening is 10%, I’m still not ready to gamble with it.

You should be afraid, but voting for Biden won't stop that. Even if it foiled their plans temporarily, which I doubt, you're only delaying the project by 2-4 years. There is no victory, just buying time.

I’m saying that we have to buy ourselves as much time as possible, even if it means strategic voting,

Time to do what? The left's height was probably around 2020 with Bernie. More time to see the decline of leftist politics? More time for people to become even hopeless? I honestly don't see any indication that waiting is going to do anything. We have less political power than even and I don't see that changing.

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