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From the FBI’s “Domestic Terrorist Symbols Guide”
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I don't see any inaccuracies in this, and it isn't really necessarily showing these in a negative light. It is just a factual infograghic used to quickly identify symbols in leftist spaces.
The implication that opposing fascism is related to domestic terrorism is a bit 😬 though.
Idk sometimes antifa harasses police in their off duty social clubs
OP is trying to imply the the FBI thinks these symbols automatically mean terrorism, which is not what they're saying. This is just an identification guide for symbols. Both the far left and the far right have terrorists. The right has an awful lot more at this moment in time, but the FBI can investigate more than one organization simultaneously.
https://vault.fbi.gov/domestic-terrorism-symbols-guide/domestic-terrorism-symbols-guide-part-01/view
i mean absolutely no personal disrespect to any of you, but I find myself genuinely coming away with the opinion that this might be the laziest community I have ever been responsible for helping build.
and this is an offshoot of a subreddit
__ The source. of the screenshot. was in . the post. i linked. as source. WHy does this comment have 7 upvotes and no downvOTEs? __
I am not implying dick. edit-They say it right there
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hem to paraphrase:
'this document is about terrorism' - 'specifically anarchists'
they 'hate authority' and 'do crimes'
'we dont generally care about any of this, but reserve the right to'
'and courts say thats the end of it'
I know I dont have the final say on anything. that would be weird.
but
I mean, don't crop out context if you want people to understand that context? If your solution to getting people to understand your message is for them to do more of the work for you, you're never gonna get the impact you're looking for.
Furthermore, in the original/expanded image, they specifically identify the problematic group as Anarchist Violent Extremists, not just anarchists, meaning it's not the anarchy part they have a problem with. They also emphasize the point that use of these symbols is not enough to identify a person or organization as a violent extremist and that they're not even interested in people who just say stuff about anarchy.
It's the same as saying "right-wing American terrorist groups often fly the Confederate flag, but the flag alone is not enough to identify a terrorist as some people use the flag to symbolize the American South East."
OK. I don’t agree about what reality is with you enough to have a conversation.
The other person is seems entirely correct. If you disagree with them on the epistemic level, then you need to seriously reevaluate how you interpret evidence.
Let me explain... ...I don't know how to explain that when a law enforcement agency says that it is only interested in investigating your organization for crimes. that is. not something that you should take as reassuring. It outlines a level of trust in the establishments of imperial power that ,. supporters of this line of thought here would be okay with showing cops around the clubhouse, because you're confident they won't decide that what you are doing here is a crime. It is an avenue for the state to label its own political opponents as [legal to oppress with state power]s. All of the nonsense in this thread of is providing cover for that and that's the end of it for me.
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normal average americans that fly the confederate flag are white supremists. They are supporting domestic terrorism. like that even gets at all what i mean. this whole thing exists to make the 'inherent racial hierarchy' that this country was founded on and operated under for its entire dam history up until .. .. . . . . wHen?EXACtly?? just palatable enough that I get looked at like Im the crazy one for bringing up how the pattern of suppressing communist and anarchist political factions in the united states is the f*CkInG God**MN **kING POInT of thE FBI fUK
The use of punctuation is telling me that reading this comment probably isn't worth my time. My guess is that it's a cringy rambling mess and doesn't address the actual issue or clarify anything.
The 3 arrows description is inaccurate. It's an anti-fascist pro-democracy symbol which (unless I'm mistaken) originated in the Weimar Republic. The arrows originally were against "the 3 enemies of democracy" which at the time were the Nazis, Monarchists, and "Communists" (what we today would call tankies). The current meaning of the targets of the arrows are different, but the arrows themselves don't usually represent anything other than opposition to the named or implied groups. It was originally used by the Iron Front, which was the militant wing of the SPD, and was comprised of Union Workers, Social Democrats, and all stripes of Democratic Socialists. Today, it is occasionally used by Anarchists, but is also used by individuals as far right as anti-fascist progressive liberals.
Edit: why TF am I being downvoted?