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@glimse
> He’s well-liked among two groups: the ultrarich because he makes them money with his schemes and the wannabe rich because they are willing to do anything to get ahead. He was never well-liked by other groups.
Do you have a source for this?
A source for what exactly? Public opinion?
You don't have to @ me every time.
@glimse Yes. If it was public, you should be able to find, say three instances of that opinion being espoused.
Unless it was like a super secret public opinion that nobody said out loud?
@amerika @glimse Pretty sure that was pretty popular in #Russia, and served as the origins for the modern antisemitic conspiracy theories we see today.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Protocols_of_the_Elders_of_Zion
You're talking to a white supremicist.
Their site makes it clear.
That's the reason they're citing a racist conspiracy theory.
The mods won't ban him though, because that's the kind of user they wish to court.
@LookBehindYouNowAndThen I'm not sure if he's a supremacist, more likely a racial separatist/"race realist". Wouldn't be shocked if he's racist, but yeah #TheProtocolsOfTheEldersOfZion is quite the deep cut, and his alt-right views are probably the only way he even knows what that is (I only know what that is when I started researching the origins of the #Israel v. #Palestine conflict and it came up as I was skimming #Wikipedia)
I don't make excuses for white supremicists.
Guess you do.
How the fuck is a "racial separatist" not a racist?
Gotta love how this community puts the full depravity of conservatism on display for everyone.
@LookBehindYouNowAndThen
> I don’t make excuses for racists.
I don't either! I do try to understand them though. They walk among us, after all.
> How the fuck is a “racial separatist” not a racist?
They're still racist; the difference is that a white supremacist thinks that white people are better than other people, and racial separatists think that all races are equal, but should be segregated from each other.
Funny how you're more charitable to this white supremicist's views than you are for anyone to your left.
Last time we were having a discussion you misrepresented my views with every reply, but you've really dialed in the various flavors of racist, because those nuances are so important to understand.
Conservatives will ally with racists and fascists before they compromise with a lib.
@LookBehindYouNowAndThen
> Funny how you’re more charitable to this white supremicist’s views than you are for anyone to your left.
This is an interesting take. You must not know me very well.
Have you seen my political commentary blacklist of bad faith actors? It's mostly people on the right.
https://social.teci.world/objects/a591d729-7dd8-4374-b9c7-a31b9f5e56e9
> Last time we were having a discussion you misrepresented my views with every reply
Which convo was this?
@LookBehindYouNowAndThen
> > Conservatives will ally with racists and fascists before they compromise with a lib.
Part of me wonders if I'm even a #Conservative anymore. I hate big government and a lot of them don't, and the #MAGA people are pretty embarrassing to boot.
@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen
Conservatism is a philosophy, not a party. We are realists, the Left are anti-realists.
@amerika @LookBehindYouNowAndThen
> Conservatism is a philosophy
Fair enough; Conservatism is pretty broad so it can be as libertarian as it can be fascist.
I care too much about supporting small government and principles over people to want to associate too closely with the modern right, who I feel is increasingly okay with authoritarianism (look at their support of #DeSantis for example)
> We are realists, the Left are anti-realists.
That's kind of a childish way to view things.
@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen
I disagree; egalitarianism is an anti-realist philosophy.
@amerika @LookBehindYouNowAndThen That's a different argument than the one you put forth though.
@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen
Egalitarianism is the root of the Left; it is an ideology. Conservatism is a folkway, which means we prefer time-proven solutions, which requires measurement by reality not human judgment. This naturally leads to a need for social order on a case-by-case basis anchored in a few general principles instead of One Big Idea.
@amerika @LookBehindYouNowAndThen
> Egalitarianism is the root of the Left
Are you sure about this?
@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen
Yes. Imagine Leftism without egalitarianism.
@amerika @LookBehindYouNowAndThen Imagine a horse with two legs. Doesn't mean that four legs are what makes a horse a horse. That's a parts-to-whole fallacy.
@realcaseyrollins @LookBehindYouNowAndThen
The core philosophy of the Left is egalitarianism; this is inherent in their origin both in the ancient times and in Revolutionary France.
"left, in politics, the portion of the political spectrum associated in general with egalitarianism and popular or state control of the major institutions of political and economic life."
https://www.britannica.com/topic/left
Nobody cares.
Fuck off, racist POS.
@cunt @LookBehindYouNowAndThen the username checks out
@LookBehindYouNowAndThen
In any case, his alt right views don't exactly map to this conversation, so I'll allow it for now.
If lemmy.world wants to ban him, they probably can, but he's on annihilation.social, which is a different instance entirely.
The mods have the power to ban anyone.
Notably, they don't ban the guy who hosts a blog with articles titled things like Being White: The Gradual Epiphany of a True Believer and thinks the Protocols of the Elders of Zion is a true conspiracy.
I've been banned for some pretty stupid shit, but this guy is welcome. That should tell you everything you need to know about this community.
@LookBehindYouNowAndThen Report it to the mods. I'm on #Mastodon and I think he's on #Pleroma, so there's nothing I can do.
But I'm a freedom of speech homie so I wouldn't complain about it too much; if the speech offends you, you should be able to block or mute him yourself on your end.
I have reported them.
The mods only care about banning people who make conservatives face reality.
They're not going to ban this chode because they want him for a user.
@LookBehindYouNowAndThen I guess we'll see. It's very possible that it's a free speech community and they won't ban him, which is fine. He doesn't need to be banned.
@realcaseyrollins @glimse
Exactly.
@realcaseyrollins @glimse
As far as I can tell, Trump is popular among a range of social classes but also captured the college-educated conservative vote.
That's been the case ever since Milo's "Feminism is Cancer" tour.
Milo is one seriously vile man but his tour was brilliant and served as one of the main catalysts for blowing up the campus narrative about the left being tolerant and peaceful. Everyone else followed his lead. Shapiro, Kirk, Owens...All road Milo's coattails to fame. But really, it was all Steve Bannon. He produced that whole tour. Pure brilliance.
Also, Milo's probably an intel asset.
@amerika @glimse @realcaseyrollins
@truthbait @glimse @realcaseyrollins
Milo is hysterical but he did write one of my favorite editorials:
https://www.breitbart.com/europe/2015/04/20/tax-the-poor-the-moral-and-economic-case-for-regressive-taxation/
I can promise you he very likely didn't write a word of that, or anything else penned under his name at Breitbart. For that you probably want to thank Allum Bokhari.
https://www.breitbart.com/author/allum-bokhari/
@amerika @glimse @realcaseyrollins
@truthbait @glimse @realcaseyrollins
Quite possibly true; I have enjoyed Mr Bokhari's writings on other topics so that would fit.
Milo was a brilliant performer with only one real act. He became a reductive version of himself after the F.I.C. tour. As far as writing goes, he could best be described as a lazy dysfunctional drug addict and fame whore who crashed out owing numerous people outstanding debts, allegedly.
@amerika @glimse @realcaseyrollins
@truthbait @amerika @glimse I used to like him back in the day. He was a major reason why I ended up on the #Fediverse.
@realcaseyrollins @truthbait @glimse
I saw him somewhere in Texas. It was a good speech, very dramatic, but also kind of compassionate. He's talented whether just a presenter or a writer. He handled the Q&A well, but maybe the questioners were plants.
"maybe the questioners were plants"
They wouldn't need to be. Like I said, Milo is a brilliant performer/orator. Spoken word is his strong suit. Written word is his weak link.
@amerika @glimse @realcaseyrollins
@truthbait @amerika @glimse
> Spoken word is is strong suit.
It was until he fell too hard in his drugs and pretended to be straight for a grift to get a job at some #Catholic network or something. Now nothing is his strong suit.
Keep your mind open to the possibility that he was never gay and was always straight.
The best part of that is the potential absurdity of two straight men, Gavin McGinnis and Milo, making out on camera at a publicity stunt in reaction to the Pulse Night Club massacre.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zgJWBr1u9-c
@realcaseyrollins @amerika @glimse