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[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

No, we do know that the brain makes the mind. Physical changes to the brain can make predictable changes to the mind, but your thoughts don't change the structure of your brain.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

While your first point is true, your second is not. It's actually been found that if you change the way you think about stuff, your brain actually changes. It's this little thing called neuroplasticity and it's fucking wild. - https://www.healthline.com/health/rewiring-your-brain

We've also observed intelligence and seeming awareness from things like fungus, which don't even have brains.

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Yeah, I'm aware of that. Vasanas are a related topic. But these are results of physical interactions between neurons in your brain. There's nothing nonphysical about your mind that creates or alters matter supernaturally. My point stands, the mind is, as far as a naturalistic philosophy is concerned, an emergent property of complex interactions in the brain.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago

If my thought moved the neurons as opposed to my neurons making the thought as demonstrated by neuroplasticity, than the brain cannot be the origin.

[-] starman2112@sh.itjust.works 2 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

The neurons are what make the thoughts. I acknowledge the existence of neuroplasticity and vasanas, but the mind is an emergent property of the physical neurons. If your thoughts are having an effect on the brain, that is because there are physical processes happening in the brain that are affecting the brain.

[-] HawlSera@lemm.ee 1 points 3 months ago* (last edited 3 months ago)

Except the cause of those physical processes seems to be something that by itself is not a physical process. If I can just decide to rewire my brain and that works, what prompted the rewiring? What told these neurons to say "We should do something different?"

Because that's essentially what's happening during neuroplasticity, something invisible and intangible (the mind) is changing the brain's building blocks.

It seems to be quite the plothole in the Physicalist Paradigm and the only objection appears to be "Naw uh"

See Also: https://ykulbashian.medium.com/emergence-isnt-an-explanation-it-s-a-prayer-ef239d3687bf

If you disagree, then we're just going to have to agree to disagree.

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