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Oh yeah...
Because Obama in 08 didn't flip a shit ton of red states that Hillary and Biden won't even fight for...
You...
You don't think being likable is important for a political candidate?
That's uh, that's a hot take bud.
I only hear it from moderates for some reasons, but at least y'all are finally admitting no one really likes your policies now.
A little progress is till progress.
You missed the second part of my analogy, try not eating vegetables and see what happens. You end up full of shit (literally). Ignoring the centrist voices in the country because they're not progressive enough ends up with the same results, the country gets all stopped up and unproductive. We need to work together on this.
Because it's flawed...
Moderate policy is worse for people than progressive policy. For your analogy to fit, it would have to be that eating one serving of vegetables a month is better than recommended servings every fucking day.
No it doesn't, it ends up with 08-2016...
Do you think we made less progress in those years than when the party insisted on pivoting back to unpopular moderates?
Like, you really compare 08-16 to 16-24, and you're saying moderate candidates are the solution?
What I'm saying is that Hillary had a lot of problems, but not being progressive enough is not one of them. Likewise, Joe Biden's problem is that he mislead us all about how fit he really is for the job, not that he's too moderate. If Biden showed up for the debate last week, we wouldn't be in this national conversation.
Candidates need to be pragmatic to win national elections. Bernie had the right touch of knowing when to push the progressive narrative and when to lay off it, so he didn't piss off the Muggles. A lot of the other Progressive darlings don't, so they'll never get enough votes in enough states to matter without some people harassing them for going too far to the right .
If you want to sum it up, I suggest his 37% approval rating.
Lots of factors are playing into that, and the last time we ran a Dem incumbent with that bad of numbers was Jimmy Carter...
How much have you heard about that election?
Why are you willing to risk trump for such an unpopular candidate that Dem voters don't even want?
I think it's essential that Trump is defeated, which is why I think it's critical that we don't let a progressive candidate anywhere near this election, because they are not as broadly popular as you think they are.
So you think Obama performed worse than Biden and Hillary?
And you don't think Biden's 37% approval rating should be a concern?
You're certainly entitled to your opinions, but it doesn't mean they're true.
Wait, Obama is progressive now? The DrOnE StRiKe guy? I think you have a selective memory.
The difference is I'm talking about campaigns and you're talking about actual governance...
I thought the only thing that mattered is beating trump?
In that case, someone that just portrays themselves as progressive is better. Not as good as a real progressive, but still better than a moderate at getting elected.
But still, more progress happened between 08-16 than 16-24...
That's not exactly a unique take, do you disagree with it or just trying to ignore it?