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Devs should not be "forced to run on a treadmill until their mental or physical health breaks", says publisher of Manor Lords, citing how gamers seem to be trained to expect endless content work now (www.eurogamer.net)

submitted 2 months ago by Carighan@lemmy.world to c/games@lemmy.world

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This really does not sound healthy. The game is released, for a certain amount of money. If people don't like what they get for their money, they simply should not buy it.

But by now gamers have been so trained to expect to endless content treadmills and all their ilk like mtx and battle passes that publishers/developers get egged on if they don't work on their game 24/7 and forever.

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[-] eezeebee@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago

I'm kind of confused about the whole early access thing and why devs do it. Is it to get support and funding to finish the project?

[-] Marighost@lemm.ee 12 points 2 months ago

Basically, yeah. If your game is in a playable state, launching in early access allows devs to get feedback from the community, who help shape the game all the way to the full release. Generally EA games are discounted, with the expectation that it isn't finished or polished, full of bugs, etc.

[-] eezeebee@lemmy.ca 4 points 2 months ago

That makes sense and I hadn't considered the feedback aspect. I can see how that must be helpful, especially for a solo developer. Thanks!

[-] Zahille7@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago

In almost all the EA games I play, there's some kind of "bug report" feature, either somewhere directly on the screen while you're playing, or in the pause menu or something.

[-] Chee_Koala@lemmy.world 4 points 2 months ago

Adding to the other reply to this: You can get natural growth of fans and wishlists, you can get free media attention so your brand/gamename grows in popularity, you can receive enthusiasm from randoms about work you have been keeping to yourself for a while, which can help motivate. I mean I'm super hyped about my own videogame project, but having other people be hyped about it is very rewarding :-). I used to shun early access until they became 1.0, because I got burnt a couple times. But If the dev(s) are transparent and communication is ok, I don't really care anymore for the same reason as this dev is pointing out: "It's done when it's done" is good enough in 95% of the cases for me.

[-] eezeebee@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago

I'm dabbling in game development myself, and that's part of why I asked the question originally- I'd be terrified to put something out there for the public if I wasn't already confident it was ready. Early access seems like a double-edged sword. But you list some good points about the benefits of doing so.

By the way, I am interested to hear about your game project if you would like to share some details.

[-] Chee_Koala@lemmy.world 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I think the crucial part is natural fanbase growth... As a solo dev, your marketing budget is gonna be so extremely tiny, and releasing with 0 marketing is setting yourself up for disappointment so, it has got to come from somewhere. Maybe EA is not a necessity, but having a steam page is. Confidently typing this while not having a steam page to show for it, but you know what the Dutch say: the best captain is ashore (de beste stuurlui staan aan wal)

It's gonna be extremely terrifying 😅

[-] elxeno@lemm.ee 2 points 2 months ago

AFAIK u get a half release before to get some attention and media/youtubers coverage and people to test your game and make suggestions.

Then you get another release when exiting EA (notifies whishlist and steam gives boosts visibility to released games for a short while and it gets extended if it goes well)