723
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
view the rest of the comments
this post was submitted on 13 Aug 2024
723 points (97.8% liked)
World News
39347 readers
2760 users here now
A community for discussing events around the World
Rules:
-
Rule 1: posts have the following requirements:
- Post news articles only
- Video links are NOT articles and will be removed.
- Title must match the article headline
- Not United States Internal News
- Recent (Past 30 Days)
- Screenshots/links to other social media sites (Twitter/X/Facebook/Youtube/reddit, etc.) are explicitly forbidden, as are link shorteners.
-
Rule 2: Do not copy the entire article into your post. The key points in 1-2 paragraphs is allowed (even encouraged!), but large segments of articles posted in the body will result in the post being removed. If you have to stop and think "Is this fair use?", it probably isn't. Archive links, especially the ones created on link submission, are absolutely allowed but those that avoid paywalls are not.
-
Rule 3: Opinions articles, or Articles based on misinformation/propaganda may be removed. Sources that have a Low or Very Low factual reporting rating or MBFC Credibility Rating may be removed.
-
Rule 4: Posts or comments that are homophobic, transphobic, racist, sexist, anti-religious, or ableist will be removed. “Ironic” prejudice is just prejudiced.
-
Posts and comments must abide by the lemmy.world terms of service UPDATED AS OF 10/19
-
Rule 5: Keep it civil. It's OK to say the subject of an article is behaving like a (pejorative, pejorative). It's NOT OK to say another USER is (pejorative). Strong language is fine, just not directed at other members. Engage in good-faith and with respect! This includes accusing another user of being a bot or paid actor. Trolling is uncivil and is grounds for removal and/or a community ban.
Similarly, if you see posts along these lines, do not engage. Report them, block them, and live a happier life than they do. We see too many slapfights that boil down to "Mom! He's bugging me!" and "I'm not touching you!" Going forward, slapfights will result in removed comments and temp bans to cool off.
-
Rule 6: Memes, spam, other low effort posting, reposts, misinformation, advocating violence, off-topic, trolling, offensive, regarding the moderators or meta in content may be removed at any time.
-
Rule 7: We didn't USED to need a rule about how many posts one could make in a day, then someone posted NINETEEN articles in a single day. Not comments, FULL ARTICLES. If you're posting more than say, 10 or so, consider going outside and touching grass. We reserve the right to limit over-posting so a single user does not dominate the front page.
We ask that the users report any comment or post that violate the rules, to use critical thinking when reading, posting or commenting. Users that post off-topic spam, advocate violence, have multiple comments or posts removed, weaponize reports or violate the code of conduct will be banned.
All posts and comments will be reviewed on a case-by-case basis. This means that some content that violates the rules may be allowed, while other content that does not violate the rules may be removed. The moderators retain the right to remove any content and ban users.
Lemmy World Partners
News !news@lemmy.world
Politics !politics@lemmy.world
World Politics !globalpolitics@lemmy.world
Recommendations
For Firefox users, there is media bias / propaganda / fact check plugin.
https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/media-bias-fact-check/
- Consider including the article’s mediabiasfactcheck.com/ link
founded 2 years ago
MODERATORS
Meanwhile next door Iraq is attempting to lower the marriage age to 9.
Yeah fuck religion.
That's because of religion?!
The Islamic prophet Muhammad married a 9-year-old girl. Since he was holy, or whatever, he waited until she was 10 to fuck her.
Close, but incorrect.
The prophet Muhammad married his wife Aisha when she was 6 years old.
He started raping her when she was 9. They call it "consummation".
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aisha
Was Muhammad the first to make the 69 joke then?
Nice, inshallah.
Was it Muhammad?
Narrator: It was.
Yeesh. The past, ladies and gentlemen. I prefer when people leave it way back then.
What a guy!
hey lets not get specifically islamophobic. every single horrible thing the worst muslims are trying to do over there, the worst christians are doing over here. every. single. fucking. one.
and the worst muslims aren't even jacking it to the apocalypse.
That doesn't make it right, it's Whataboutism
no but that's the thing, I see a lot on the internet "religion bad!" (true) turning into "muslims bad!" and letting at-least-as-bad offenders off the hook. that's the part that bugs me.
the christians are doing THIS EXACT SAME SHIT in american cities. I walked past the aftermath of some shit like this happening multiple times in my life. it doesn't even make the news most of the time.
so yes, they're monsters, stop them. but lets not SINGLE THEM OUT and let the OTHER, POTENTIALLY WORSE monsters off the hook.
edit: also, islamophobia in the anglosphere is rarely used to reduce the outrageous horrors of religion, and always used to fuck up marginalized people, so I'm always skeptical of it being a genuine criticism of religion.
This entire post is about a woman that was shot and paralyzed for not wearing a hijab. Stop deflecting. It's absolutely fair to criticize bad things done in the name of Islam. Feel free to create a separate post about bad things done in the name of Christianity, I'm sure you'll have no issue finding numerous examples. But stop distracting from the oppressive environment women find themselves in in modern day Iran.
all of those religions are intensely misogynist. that's just the islam flavor abrahamic atrocity. the christian flavor has her dying of ectopic pregnancy after being raped at age 7.
this is a problem that includes islam, but is not specifically an islam problem. they all fucking do this, and whenever people JUST talk about islam, it always victimizes the least bad muslims, refugees, and vulnerable brown people WHO AREN'T EVEN MUSLIMS, and never, NEVER fixes it, never, NEVER goes after the worst hypermisogynist pedophile pieces of shit petpetuating the atrocities. so when I see people focused on this fucking 2000s era throwback islamophobia it NEVER ends in 'we must protect people' it NEVER ends in 'we must end the evils of religion', it ALWAYS ends in the 'war of civilizations' bullshit that has people who live in my fucking neighborhood defending zionists rioting for their right to rape their victims, because most of their victims are muslim. that has people who live in my fucking neighborhood talking about exterminating the brutes and death camps and hey, who else can we put in those, maybe queers? maybe queers. (they don't say 'queers').
its why I can't take any criticism of ISLAM IN PARTICULAR (edit:unless its inclusive of the rest of that group of mind-plagues) seriously. because everything shitty muslims do, shitty christians do just as bad, plus some other crap. hell, a lot of times, their organization names ARE EVEN DIRECT FUCKING TRANSLATIONS OF EACH OTHER. it's just racism. as bad as I think these fuckers are, you're not on the same team as me. you just want an excuse to be racist, and I don't believe you actually give a shit about the victim, she's just an excuse too. please don't bring rage against religion into it if you only care about this shit when a religion you mostly associate with brown people does it. its like when qanon started talking about 'human trafficking'.
Why are you lashing out at strangers? I dont know that your anger is coming off the way you think it is.
okay but... why is the splash damage from disapproving of the worst muslims with 'muslims bad' always to sikhs and secular arabs and more moderate muslims who hate this shit almost as much as you claim to, but never to the worst christians doing that exact same shit with the exact same rhetoric who the speaker smiles at every week waiting in line for groceries?
Because to those outside of religion, its a choice to be religious. All of those least worst Muslims or good Muslims or good Christians or whatever you want to say, all should not be in those religions to begin with.
I'm not saying to destroy the community, break off and make your own "fuck the shitty versions of our religions" sect.
At some point people need to be held to their decisions, despite the community social pressure aspect, as the only way to counter that is equal and opposite pressure.
If you can figure out how to remain in a religion and cause that kind of backlash then I suppose you would be the exception.
Just to summarize, all religions are bad, so being part of them is bad too, even if you are a good person. Can't be a good Nazi right?
slew of downvotes
Part of the problem is the desire to single out the worst single instances of a given group and use them as emblematic of a whole. I honestly wonder how many folks on this board actually know a person of Muslim faith. And I have got to wonder what kind of weird, gross, vulgar shit they say in casual conversation.
Imagine sitting across from someone at the office with a big "You're a blood-drenched terrorist by association and I hope the police drag you off to a black site to be tortured and killed" banner over their cubicle. Showing up every day and having people whispering that you're a pedophile and a genocidal lunatic, because they've been passing around "Top 10 things to know about the butcher prophet Muhammad". Then flipping on the news and hearing about how a city in your native country was bombed to rubble or a notable politician from your country was assassinated in cold blood, while folks on the news laugh about it and say "They must have had it coming because they're Muslims".
Absolutely fucking barbaric way to behave towards anyone, and yet this is how white westerners seem to treat their Muslim neighbors by reflex.
yep! the thing is, it isn't about hostility to religion in general, which, like, I could get, those 'islamic state' fuckers (and their christian counterparts currently red teaming the united states political system, who are worse and want to end the world and have been infiltrating the military that has nuclear weapons for decades) ARE (at least broadly) blood drenched vicious monsters who should all be killed. no need to be a dick about it, shouldn't treat the moderates the same way as the fanatics, but, like, everything bad about islam, except possibly the 'no drinking' thing, the worst christians ALSO DO.
like, every single bad thing they SAY about muslims also applies to these other people who maybe even live nextdoor. literally all of it (I've never heard about 'those damn teatotaling muslins, be'in all diaphanous and sober and pulling out a compass before they pray'), so clearly that's not what their actual fucking problem with it is. its not even that its barbaric behavior; it's that its fucking dishonest barbaric behavior.
Well no it's because they're monsters. They're just using religion as a cover story.