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[-] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 24 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

I'm confused at what they think good imperialism looks like. Empire by it's very nature, is a crime against humanity.

Regardless, all empires grow to be too large and unmanageable, eventually.

I think it's their perspective, of seeing how awful empire is. The death and destruction it leaves in it's wake, and every other awful thing that empires do.

Because objectively, America was the first real global hegemon, and created a brand new type of imperialism to achieve that objective. America was the best at empire.

But now that it's dying many people wrongly assume there was any other way it could have gone, that there was a malevolent external actor who actually ruined it, or that it could have been done in a more just or humane manner.

Maybe there is some truth to the latter, on the margins, but ultimately those concepts are antithetical to the concept of empire.

[-] Entropywins@lemmy.world -1 points 2 months ago

I'd say 16th century Portugal was the first world hegemony followed by the Netherlands, Spain, France, Britain, and then America or something like that...Gilgamesh was fighting against Kish "world" hegemony before the flood so this shit goes waaaaaay back

[-] circuscritic@lemmy.ca 2 points 2 months ago* (last edited 2 months ago)

You're confusing hegemon and classical empire, with global homogeny. We can debate whether or not global hegemony is unique to a unipolar world, but I don't think it's very debatable that it's only been achieved through the use of neo-imperialism.

That is to say, no classical empire has ever achieved truely global hegemonic status, but there's no shortage of historical hegemonic powers and classical empires, including that European ones you listed.

I will say that while I generally view the British empire as a classical empire, it's competition with other European powers in the 19th and 20th centuries is what really gave rise to the concept of neo-imperialism.

But the Monroe doctrine put real checks on their imperial power and influence, that they could not, or would not, overcome. Which is why I have a hard time considering them a global hedgemon in the same context as America, but I realize for their time, they could be considered the first global hegemon.

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