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Is China socialist?
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"revisionism"
Hot take but:
People who seem to say this nowadays say this like a thought-terminating epithet.
For many, it is, and they say this more than "dogmatism" or "doctrinairism."
If someone gets offended seeing the word “revisionist” you know what they are. I don’t trust anyone who doesn’t criticize revisionists. “Revisionism” should not shut down conversation but lead to discussions surrounding what errors were made. Everyone should criticize both dogmatism and improper pragmatism. I know your party falls into much dogmatism itself. You use the same tired electoralist/legalist strategy that supports settler colonialism and accomplishes nothing. You dogmatically cite old CPUSA leaders and continue their failed strategies with minimal critical thought.
Revisionism is a great scourge on socialist history leading to failures from the US to Nepal. Dogmatism sucks too, but they often go hand in hand.
Also, from my viewpoint, the Communist Party of Peru is an example of revisionism in action after Gonzalo took over.
IMHO, Maoism is revisionist and I think that's the angle you're attacking me from. I could be wrong and you can scuttle your actual angle or position or politics all you like. I'd prefer you state what type of ML or Marxist you are rather and say it proudly rather than try to muddy the waters. Even saying "anti-revisionist ML" would be better at this point.
But making an an hominem is silly and a trite tactic, much less trying to divert the discussion.
Labels are silly. Call me a decolonial Marxist. I am generally pro-China, but am currently delving into other theory to form an all sided view. The point of the quotation is that CPUSA legalist nonsense is revisionist.
"Labels are silly."
No, "revisionist" is a completely acceptable term; it's just overused by a lot of Maoists nowadays.
"decolonial Marxist"
The communist movement is largely decolonial unless you're some silly PatSoc.
No, I think you're just being inflammatory by bringing up my politics in a convo that has nothing to do with the CPUSA.
Remember those times CPUSA kicked out people who support national liberation and condemned Hamas?
We have never kicked out people that have supported the national liberation of Palestine.
As for Hamas, consider the inside-outside group-talk communication strategy that some leftist groups use. I'm not saying I agree with it, but again, this has nothing to do with the main topic of the OP.
Yes this has strayed, but expelling people who support black national liberation is certainly dogmatic and patsoc esque.
Yes, I know the story and allegation, and I know the other side of the story as well, the one that denies that that happened.
I am for Black liberation, including Black national liberation. So I'll just end it there.
But really, this is not about CPUSA, as flawed as it may be so let's move on. I'm not here to even attack you.
Except I never said "don't criticize revisionists."
Why are you making this about CPUSA when this has nothing to do with the discussion at hand?
I am suggesting that you don’t like when people criticize revisionism because you support revisionism.
I do not. I am anti-revisionist and a Marxist-Leninist.
I think you're just making excuses after the fact. I agree that CPUSA has made errors here and there, but that has nothing to do with the nature of China's political economy.
Nepal is not an example of "revisionism."
You said:
That is literally what I'm saying.
What do you know about Nepal? They had an effective revolutionary movement and ended up compromising for “communists” in power of a still capitalist system.
I’m not ending the conversation. I was not attacking your suspicion of potential anti-China content (without actually watching it, mind you), but expanding the conversation into why you might not like when people talk about revisionism in other situations.
They did not compromise in that way. They had to work with who they needed in a united front. There is nothing wrong with that and it wasn't there fault that the results were mixed.
You should not have "expanded" the conversation with stuff that had nothing to do with the topic.