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[+] Saleh@feddit.org -12 points 3 weeks ago

Given that alcohol is a hard drug with severe social and personal consequences when abused i find that sentiment a bit shortsighted. We rightfully don't accept casual consumption of cocaine or heroin around children. We shouldn't set the model that alcohol is just a casual thing to consume on any given afternoon.

Me and many friends as teenagers wen we got shitfaced in unhealthy and dangerous ways just laughed at our parents critizising us, because of how normalized their consumption was.

So between responsible consumption and casual consumption is a huge difference. Especially when there is small kids around, who might end up just drinking from the jar right in their reach.

[-] scrubbles@poptalk.scrubbles.tech 15 points 3 weeks ago

So hiding it and not telling kids about it is a solution, which makes them curious, and then go eat overboard. Which is what I did.

What is much better is what Europeans do, where they have a much healthier view of alcohol, grow up around it, know what it is and does, and don't have nearly the unhealthy binging Americans do. On top of that they also aren't having an opioid crisis.

[+] Saleh@feddit.org -13 points 3 weeks ago

So did you also do other hard drugs because they were hidden from you? Heroin, Coke, Crack, Meth?

The opiod crisis has an entirely different basis to them, as tons of Americans were made addicted by reckless prescriptions first.

And again, seeing my and other parents drink regularly did not stop us from being reckless around alcohol. Instead what it does makes clear signs of alcoholism not be taken as warning. "Dad had two beers every day, whats the harm in three?"

There is things the US does badly, like not allowing alcohol until 21 and then giving access to vodka and beer alike, where many European countries have different ages for booze and lower strength alcohol. But the idea that people in Europe are more responsible around alcohol doesn't hold to reality. The US had about 120k alcohol related deaths per year, which jumped to 180k with the pandemic. Germany is at a stable 60-70k a year. But Germany has less than one fourth of the US population.

[-] WoahWoah@lemmy.world 3 points 3 weeks ago* (last edited 3 weeks ago)

What are you even talking about? The per capita death rates differ from what you're posting (making up?) here. According to data from the World Health Organization (WHO), the death rate from alcohol use disorders in Germany is 9.2 per 100,000 population, whereas in the United States, it is 14.3 per 100,000 population. That's a substantial difference. Are you a recovering alcoholic or lose someone to alcohol or something? It's fine that you are against alcohol, but you're making false comparisons and citing false data to do so.