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"Israel’s far-right Finance Minister Bezalel Smotrich has ordered preparations for the annexation of the occupied West Bank ahead of US President-elect Donald Trump taking office in January 2025."

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[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

I said suggesting that New York is “Zion” just because of its Jewish population is a bad thing to say and I showed you the reason why.

...no you didn't? You showed that there was a disparaging name for the Jewish community in New York. From that I infer your argument to be "NYC can't be Zion because there exist at least some people that don't like Jews to be there", but, and you won't believe this: There's not a single place in the world where that's not the case. Found a colony on Mars, it'd still be the case. It's not a suitable way to judge a place's suitability to be Zion. Few people being miffed at its existence, sure, but none? That's just an impossible standard.

[-] FlyingSquid@lemmy.world 7 points 1 month ago

Okay, well I'm sorry I wasn't clear, but the point is that suggesting New York is Zion for Jews when Christians exponentially outnumber them plays into conspiracy theory nonsense whether or not you intended it that way.

Maybe you don't care you were saying something that could be taken as offensive by Jewish people, but it could.

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee -2 points 1 month ago* (last edited 1 month ago)

...and different ethnicities outnumber Jews pretty much everywhere? Or is this about Wall Street? To that I have to say that I'm simply not antisemitic enough to even think about connecting the two, had to wreck my brain for a bit what you might be trying to get at. Certainly more (ethnically) Christian bankers there than Jewish ones.

(And just so you know where I'm coming from: German, grandpa was prosecuted as "half-Jew" (barely enough "German blood" to not end up in a camp, also, Lutheran, great-grandparents not so lucky), I have family in Israel. Long story short: Taking the lessons from my ancestry together, there can be no non-anti-fascist Zionism because fascism is a tragedy also for the perpetrators. There'd never be peace. hevenu_shalom_aleichem.opus)

[-] ewo 4 points 1 month ago

You're off your rocker mate. Being Jewish does not equal being a Zionist, and what does New York have to do with Zion? It's like saying New York is Irish or Italian because they have big populations living there.

[-] barsoap@lemm.ee 1 points 1 month ago

No it doesn't, and I never implied that. But Zion, aka a place for Jews to live in peace, happiness and prosperity? Why not NYC? It certainly can be a Zion for some who look for one, I didn't bother to go all "some but not all" for an off-hand quip.

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