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THE POLICE PROBLEM
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The police problem is that police are policed by the police. Cops are accountable only to other cops, which is no accountability at all.
99.9999% of police brutality, corruption, and misconduct is never investigated, never punished, never makes the news, so it's not on this page.
When cops are caught breaking the law, they're investigated by other cops. Details are kept quiet, the officers' names are withheld from public knowledge, and what info is eventually released is only what police choose to release — often nothing at all.
When police are fired — which is all too rare — they leave with 'law enforcement experience' and can easily find work in another police department nearby. It's called "Wandering Cops."
When police testify under oath, they lie so frequently that cops themselves have a joking term for it: "testilying." Yet it's almost unheard of for police to be punished or prosecuted for perjury.
Cops can and do get away with lawlessness, because cops protect other cops. If they don't, they aren't cops for long.
The legal doctrine of "qualified immunity" renders police officers invulnerable to lawsuits for almost anything they do. In practice, getting past 'qualified immunity' is so unlikely, it makes headlines when it happens.
All this is a path to a police state.
In a free society, police must always be under serious and skeptical public oversight, with non-cops and non-cronies in charge, issuing genuine punishment when warranted.
Police who break the law must be prosecuted like anyone else, promptly fired if guilty, and barred from ever working in law-enforcement again.
That's the solution.
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Guy had some violent criminals outside his house trying to break in and hurt him and his family. Calls the cops. Now he's got an extra violent criminal with a gun who breaks into his house and kills him. Why does anyone call the cops anymore???
What else do you do? I get the point but who else deals with that if you can't? At a certain point you have to roll those dice right?
But a gun, learn to use it, call a lawyer then cops. Or gamble on the cops and going fisticuffs with a knife like this poor guy did.
a bunch of guys breaking into your house and you with one gun will probably have the same outcome
especially if you store it safely, locked in a safe, unloaded, ammo separate
Then store it safely, fully loaded, with one in the chamber.
I thought that you are supposed to leave the chamber empty, preventing accidental discharge?
Fair question. Not pulling the trigger prevents accidental discharge.
Having one in chamber saves time. It's one less thing to do in a stressful situation when every millisecond counts. If it's got a safety, train with it engaged and flip it off as part of any exercise.
that's not how responsible gun owners are meant to store it
I agree that cops aren't responsible gun owners.
Uh, no. Firearms are nearly pointless if they cannot be used.
Store it loaded in a quick release safe or hidden in such a manner that it will not be accidentally accessed.
Something like this
per the Justice dept - that is not the "official" advise, but a layman opinion https://www.justice.gov/media/1337981/dl?inline
while I understand your emotional reaction in the context of the story, my personal belief is that "well regulated militia" does intend the safe and responsible use of firearms under specific circumstances, and not to be a .44 under your pillow or duct taped to the back of your armchair
while it's not illegal per se, if anyone else picks up your gun not stored correctly you could (depending on the state) be on the hook for illegal transfer of a weapon (+ to a minor if relevant), or brandishment laws.
As it's much more likely that an unstored firearm (quick access safe aside), could be stolen, picked up by someone else, or seen by a visitor (postal worker, jehovas witness, canvasser, guest...) than a full scale home invasion by a militia - it might be worth weighing the likelihood of trying to take down multiple assailants in a firefight against these outcomes
Welcome to the argument for standard capacity magazines.
He feel victim to one of the classic blunders.
Nice thing about not having children is you can leave your gun loaded with a round in the chamber.
Just flip it to fire and pull the trigger.
Anyone not welcome will be put down immediately
Smash cut to Rambo over here in an actual perceived thread, tripping over his footie pajamas in the dark and shooting himself in the dick with the first bullet and his neighbor in the face with second. Then reveals that the "gang of migrants" "breaking in" was actually just mormon kids knocking on your door to tell you about home pest control service they are also selling on their iPads.
You secured the perimeter, dipshit.
Sure is a nice straw man you built for yourself to jerk off over.
"Just Mormon kids" selling pest control? at 12:40 AM?
Oh, I'm sorry... Do you work to populate your own planet filled with your dead family in the afterlife while wearing special underpants and being afraid of soda... only during business hours?
The funny thing is that real Mormonism is so much weirder than that.
Like the magic masonic underwear.
If you weren't aware, Mormons wear magic masonic underwear. They are required to wear magic masonic underwear.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Temple_garment
You separate and control both people. You use your police h2h training to deescalate the situation, soak them both in pepper spray or taze them both while you sort out the facts. You get stabbed doing your duty to serve and protect civilians because you knew that is what you signed up for and why police are heroes.......
Oh wait.......
Personally I blast a monolog sequence from an old mobster movie and then fire blank rounds of a tommy gun
And then give them to the count of 10 to get their ugly, yellow, no-good keister off my property, before I pump their guts full of lead.
Merry Christmas you filthy animal!
And a happy new year!
Basically same, but I don't have blanks...
Hopefully you're firing at least one variety of blanks.
You're rooting for people who break and enter in occupied dwellings instead of a person defending their home, on a post about the cops showing up and shooting the homeowner who was struggling against a home invader attacking them with a knife? Ooooook.
Rooting, no, nor did I say so
However I do hope you have a look at realistic stats on gun ownership, namely that you are in an attempt to compensate for your insecurities making yourself and anyone who lives with you more likely to die. Depending on your age and ethnicity (I'm going to assume 20s and white for now), when you enter your 40s or 50s you are much more likely to use that gun on your temple or as an edible than you are to "defend your home".
So...yeah, I hope people like you don't have kids unless you can sort your emotions out and be a logical adult.
Tired old body shaming won't get me to surrender to home invaders, sorry but anyone with half a brain can see right through that shameful tactic. Furthermore "People with gun more likely to kill self with gun than people without gun" duh, and people in water more likely to drown than people in the desert, but
A) Don't shoot yourself. Problem solved.
B) If I really wanted to die and didn't have a gun, I have a half gallon of nicotine suspended in VG I could drink, a bottle of tylenol I could take, and a half bottle of 100 proof whiskey I could polish off on the train tracks within a 5 min walk of me. "Not having a gun" isn't what's gonna stop me from killing myself "not wanting to kill myself" is a lot more effective.
So yeah, mind your own business.
I don't know what body shaming you're referring to, but a mentally unstable person who imagines non-existent threats and loves guns isn't great. Please stay away from schools.
Just quit while you're behind lol.
So imagined completely fabricated body shaming (literally no idea where you came up with this since nothing in my post mentions your body) and imagined superiority. Plus guns. Great combo. Hopefully we get lucky and you don't shoot anyone but maybe people closer to you will red flag you.
Keep pretending that "insecurities" isn't a reference to the most hack, common joke when people want to deride gun owners all you want, but it's entirely transparent. I really don't care lol, I'm not the mad one here you are, I'm laughing at you.
Ohhhhhhhhhhhh you think I care about your penis!
I mean the fact youre so sensitive about it and spent literally days being butthurt...does imply something. But no, when I said insecurities originally I meant your more literal insecurities, like you're clearly a little bitch who is afraid of the world, snuggling next to your gun like a security blanket for a 4 year old. Nothing about your penis, dude, as small as you seem to be worried it is.
If it helps, there's an ancient (circa 2005 or so) very supportive xkcd for that. Penises are in general quite small.
Honestly realizing this is what you've been so butthurt about the last few days is fucking hilarious. Talk about sad.
Yes yes "now's the part where I pretend to get it." Sure bud. I've "spent days" living my life, you keep perpetuating this nonsense as if anyone else cares about your baseless accusations. I get notifications with dumb things you say and I respond, it's not that deep lmao, calm down. "You're clearly a little bitch" and I'm the unstable angry guy here? I hope you get the help you need dude.
Lol you're so paranoid. Please get help before you shoot someone over an imagined slight. There's simple pills you can take once a day to help with your instability.
Since it's not possible to put too fine a point on it I'll say once more:
You are mentally ill.
Please seek help before you hurt yourself or others.
Lol dude you're trying way too hard.
I genuinely don't know what you're talking about. This conversation is so bizarre. I'm not laughing, in part because you seem like you actually might murder someone and in part because you're just...not really a good communicator.
Removed under rule 3:
"③ Saying ~~cops~~ ANYONE should be killed lowers the IQ in any conversation. They’re about killing people; we’re not."
Shooting at the cops is only going to end one way, you, dead.