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Bernie Sanders: We Need More Working-Class Candidates to Challenge Both Parties
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Still asking for democrats to throw away their votes on a 3rd party because you think both sides are the same eh?
That’s how Trump got elected a 2nd term. But that’s probably why you’re still pushing that narrative.
Not every single person who disagrees with you is a paid shill. I voted for kamala and did so happily, and I'm very worried about the democratic party's ability to change in the way they need to also. At some point, we do need to upend the 2 party system, it has yielded only bad things.
I don't know the right way to do that. I don't know how we can do that with the least possible compromise, giving conservatives an advantage by splitting the progressive vote while using a voting system that favors two entrenched parties over outside candidates. AND ALSO the two party system is a problem this country desperately needs to solve.
The two parties are absolutely not the same, but that doesn't mean the democratic party is doing a great job of representing people's actual interests, it just means they aren't literal fascists. I dunno about you, but I'd really hope my political representation can be better than "literal fascists, or, people who kinda sorta sometimes care about issues that represent you, except all the times when they don't"
The only party that has a chance of beating the republicans is the Democratic Party. There is no other party.
As long as we are sowing apathy towards the Democratic Party we won’t have a chance of beating the fascist republicans that show up to vote no matter what.
So you can call it disagreeing or call it being worried or call it constructive criticism. It doesn’t matter what you call it as long as it sows apathy it will increase the fascist republicans chances of winning.
People like OP are reposting the same posts and commenting in each one systematically with comments to sow apathy. It has been obvious to more than just me for a while now.
The election is over. Democrats failed spectacularly. Now is the time for criticism and accountability. If not now, when? We're all just supposed to pretend that Harris ran a great campaign? Are you familiar with the concept of learning from failure? I was beating this drum myself before the election—you know, when it actually made sense. Now it just smacks of sticking your fingers in your ears.
Democrats lost because fewer Democratic voters showed up this year. That is a sign of apathy. If we spend the next 4 years sowing more apathy then it won’t matter what we are saying the months leading up to the election because everyone will already be apathetic.
To pretend democrats failed spectacularly is to ignore the billionaires doing things like buying votes to win or Russian bots sowing apathy to Democratic voters to convince them to not vote or vote 3rd party.
I see you’re federated with startrek.website. Ever heard the saying “you can do everything right and still lose”.
Apathy caused Democratic voters to stay home. Continuing to sow more apathy will guarantee we lose the next one, if there is a next one.
You confuse apathy with refusing to support a Republican in liberal clothing
Why is this repeated so much by accounts from lemmy.ml only?
Because we can see what many liberals can't, that your party is full of right wing gatekeepers. That ran on a right wing platform
Interesting. I wonder why no one outside of lemmy.ml agrees.
.ML is so powerful it caused Harris to lose an election?
Apparently millions outside of .ML saw it too
lol what? Who said that?
You made the claim that no one outside of .ML says these kind of things.
What does that have to do with Harris losing the election?
Just shut up and never ever criticize the party that only ever moves to the right, or you want the fascists to win!
You will never understand that votes are earned, not demanded.
Democrats: work with Bernie Sanders
You: this is called moving to the right!
Bernie Sanders: Exists
You: This is working with Bernie Sanders!
Bernie Sanders: votes with the Democratic Party You: this is not called working with Bernie Sanders!
Sanders voting with the party is not the party working with Sanders.
I'm done talking to you. All you do is deliberately misrepresent my positions.
Bernie Sanders: votes with Democratic Party because that is what politicians do for work.
You: “Nooooo! This misrepresents my positions!”
Bernie is working with the Democrats. The Democrats are not working with Bernie. Bernie is picking the lesser of the two evils, as he sees it.
The criticism is not that Bernie doesn't work with them, but rather they are not working with him. There is a difference between those two.
Sure there were Russian bots. Of course there was billionaire fuckery. That's been the case every cycle for decades. Do you honestly believe that Democrats lost exclusively because of these things? And furthermore, that nobody should critique their performance or policies, because that constitutes sowing apathy? Weeks after the fucking election? That's the dumbest fucking thing I ever heard.
Harris lost the popular vote by 1.6%. Trump gained more votes than he got in 2020. It was a close race but Trump got all the most important swing states with the most electoral votes. The scales were not tipped very far in Trumps favor.
Saying we should waste our votes on 3rd parties or claiming democrats are the same as the republican fascists is not “critiquing performance or policies”. To even claim that is a bad faith argument.