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I’m sure there are a few hurdles, but wondering what is the biggest reason that keeps us back at this moment as the most pressing thing. Is it that the technology just isn’t there yet? Or is it because of legal complications, international treaties and all that? Is it just not financially feasible to do at this present time with the technology we do have? That we could do it, in theory, but the ROI is too low?

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[-] CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net 22 points 1 day ago

Throwback to an ancient thread on Reddit by AdmiralPelleon

It takes 6 BFR launches to put a fully fueled BFS in orbit, going for $7 million/launch. I'll be generous, and pretend that the BFS making the trip to the asteroid doesn't lose value along the way (hint: it does).

So let's plug in the Rocket Equation for a fully-fueled BFS in orbit, let's see how much fuel we must expend to get the BFS to the asteroid to pick up it's cargo:

Delta-v to Ryugu (a near-earth asteroid) has $95 billion of minerals on it = Raptor Engine ISP * ln( (start fuel mass + empty mass)/ (start fuel mass - fuel used + empty mass) )

OR: 4666 = 3759.81ln((1100+85)/(1100-fuel used + 85))

fuel used = 851.67

So just getting the BFS to the closest near earth object takes up 851,000 kg of fuel! This is before we've loaded any minerals on board. To calculate how much payload we can bring back do earth, it's the same equation except:

Delta-v to Earth = Raptor Engine ISP * ln( (start fuel mass + payload + empty mass)/ (payload + empty mass) )

OR: 4666 = 3759.81ln((1100-852+p+85)/(p + 85))

payload = 28.893 metric tons

So that sucks! We go all that way, launch 6 rockets, spend probably years in outer space, and all we get are 29 metric tons of cobalt!?! At current prices, that's worth ~$899,000. Compare that to the "best case" cost of 6 BFR launches or $42 million.

BUT WAIT!

It's commonly agreed that some sort of ISRU (creating fuel out of the asteroid itself) will be required for space mining. The asteroid Ryugu probably has water, and while I don't think it has carbon, amateur scientists like us need not be constrained by such petty laws of chemistry! Let's assume that, once the ship arrives, it is fully refueled at zero cost. Now our return-payload looks like:

Delta-v to Earth = Raptor Engine ISP * ln( (start fuel mass + payload + empty mass)/ (payload + empty mass) )

OR: 4666 = 3759.81ln((1100+p+85)/(p+ 85))

payload = 345.5 metric tons

The good news is we've increased our revenues by an order of magnitude (~$ 10,710,500)! The bad news is we are now at just over 25% of our fixed, "best case" costs. (I'm actually not sure if the BFS could land with that much payload, but at this point it doesn't really matter does it?)

These numbers can be made to work for elements like Helium 3 and Platinum, due to their super-high cost-per-kg (345.5 metric tons of Platinum is technically worth over $10 billion). However, the world's yearly supply of platinum is roughly just 243 metric tons, and increasing this significantly would serve to quickly crater the price.

All this is to say that no, asteroid mining is not, and may never be, feasible>

[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 9 points 1 day ago

All this is to say that no, asteroid mining is not, and may never be, feasible>

Not through rockets no, but if we ever manage to build a space lift or a sky hook then the maths will radically change.

[-] CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net 1 points 16 hours ago
[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 1 points 14 hours ago

Yes that is what a space lift is yes

[-] SkyezOpen@lemmy.world 1 points 12 hours ago

Only if you're space British.

[-] Dasus@lemmy.world 1 points 8 hours ago

I'm just pretentious, not actually British

[-] abbadon420@lemm.ee 7 points 1 day ago

It's feasibly if you don't have to launch 6 rockets to get it up and and going, i.e. if you've allready got a regular supply line into space to a permanent space station or a moon station.

If you want to go from London to Liverpool by train, it'll cost you millions to build the rail and purchase a locomotive. Except it'll actually only cost you a couple pounds for a ticket, because all that infrastructure is allready in place. Because generations before us invested in all that stuff to supply the mines and the factories.

[-] TomAwsm@lemmy.world 1 points 15 hours ago

Too bad nobody invests in the future anymore, it's all about them short term gains.

[-] CurlyWurlies4All@slrpnk.net 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

Very fair point. But the biggest barrier is always going to be fuel spent vs potential payload.

Trains an incredibly efficient once built, able to move huge payloads for very low ongoing fuel use.

[-] NutinButNet@hilariouschaos.com 5 points 1 day ago

Thank you for sharing that! Great to see with numbers, but also quite depressing.

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