Tolkien also wrote the orcs as pretty explicitly "always evil", at least in lord of the rings and the hobbit. He seemed to be conflicted about making an always-evil race, but that IS how it's written in those books.

[–] FiskFisk33@startrek.website 31 points 2 months ago

at least in lord of the rings and the hobbit

On the other hand Tolkien was quite clear on that the story was told from the perspective of the protagonists. Not least through the strong insinuation that the in-universe book that Bilbo started, Frodo continued, and Sam finished, is if not the book we are reading, at least an important source for it.

Lord of the rings telling them as evil mostly shows that's how the fellowship saw them.

[–] MyPornViewingAccount@lemmy.world 14 points 2 months ago

Pretty sure theres a letter or two where he wrote that orcs could be saved, should they turn from evil, but he also didn't know how any of them would ever know to do so.

[–] metallic_z3r0@infosec.pub 10 points 2 months ago

Wasn't it because they didn't have any Will? Their entire drive to do anything was completely enslaved by whoever was controlling them: as long as they were controlled by an evil willpower they'd also be evil.

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee -1 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Yep, every last one of 'em.

[–] milkisklim@lemm.ee 9 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Why Link to a fandom site, when you can link to the OG?

[–] samus12345@lemm.ee 3 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Because the OG's example picture wasn't nearly as relevant.

[–] milkisklim@lemm.ee 6 points 2 months ago (1 children)

Fair enough, I try and avoid fandom sites as much as possible.