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the liberals got the world they fought so hard for when USSR was dissolved, against the will of the people, and they havent stopped crying about it since
Didn't it die because everyone including Russia wanted out? Closest to the will of the people for keeping it they got was having the only referendum they ever had be about if USSR should be basically replaced with some other form of union. Which is not great.
It died because after a referendum for its dissolution failed, there was a power struggle as the communists tried to prevent Yeltsin from doing it anyway, and Yeltsin ended up ordering tanks to fire on the parliament building until the communist pro-democracy forces surrendered. Then the soviet union broke up and 7 million people died from capitalist shock therapy aided by bourgeois "democratic" governments.
I thought it was a hardliner coup that tried to stop implementation of the New Union Treaty that people voted for. Funny that they wanted to prevent the decentralization and ended up causing a total decentralization by way of making even this new union unpalatable.
Soviet Union had a single referendum and it immediately caused a coup and destruction of the whole Union. No wonder they didn't want to have them before lel
The new union treaty should have been stopped based on the results of the referendum, which overwhelmingly supported the maintaining of the current federal system.
The soviet union was constantly under siege since its infancy. Its latter years were marked with reforms which took power away from the local level of federated democracy and liberalized many aspects of their society. At the end capitalist viewpoints were being printed and published in state run and paid for media. It died a death of a thousand cuts since ww2 killed so many of their rank and file best-disrupting their lower level democracy-, and Stalin's re-democratization efforts were cut short by his assassination.
Huh? People voted for the NUT (heh).
"The referendum asked whether to approve a new Union Treaty between the republics, to replace the 1922 treaty that created the USSR. [...] The referendum's question was approved by nearly 80% of voters in all nine other republics that took part. However, the August coup attempt by hardliners of the Communist Party prevented the anticipated signing of the New Union Treaty that was due to take place the next day." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1991_Soviet_Union_referendum
People voted for the treaty in the referendum, hardline communists stopped the signing because they didn't like it.
This was the text (translated):
Yes, that renewed federation was what the New Union Treaty was supposed to bring about before being stopped. That's what they voted for.
Did you not read the article? It's right before that referendum text...
Note the lack of citation.
Also yeah Yeltsin was a real hero, just don't ask what he did after he bombarded parliament, and don't ask why the US had to interfere in former USSR elections including the 1996 Russian election to make sure that nationalists and not communists won.
Do you think people just made up the referendum or are you under the impression it was about something else..?
They had already been negotiating a new treaty for a while and after difficulties with the republics Gorbachev put it to the people to gain popular support. What did you think the "renewed federation of equal sovereign republics" was about?