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Isn't blacks (noun) considered dehumanizing?
what word would you use instead?
"African-Americans Gone Wild" or "People of Color Gone Wild " just don't seem to have the same ring to it, I guess. I'm pretty sure almost any other term you might use would be frowned upon.
Not all black people are African-American or even African or American, you know? I'd be way more irritated if someone called me African-American than black, since one of these is true and the other simply isn't.
Yeah, that’s why I added the “People of Color Gone Wild”, since the other isn’t really all-inclusive. Race is so weird to talk about in the US though, it’s like no matter how you talk about it as a white person, you’re stepping on somebody’s toes somewhere. It’s like we can’t even discuss anything without the terminology itself becoming an issue, which just sort of derails any other conversations you might be having. I get why the topic is necessary in some cases, but it feels like it needlessly complicated things at times.
Just black, as in "the black version of gonewild"
but thats what it says
Read it again.
black gone wild, blacks gone wild, what's the difference? just a single letter? how is one respectful and the other not?
Ebony, or GoneWildColor as the existing reddit community was already named.
Calling black people "ebony" is like calling white people "porcelain". It's romanticising their skin colour. It may make sense for things like porn, but please don't refer to any group with that sort of name in a normal context. It's incredibly weird.
Exactly right, but the context being discussed is porn.
Yes, but you've also said that referring to people as "black" is dehumanising, and then you were asked what word you'd use instead.
At this moment it isn't unreasonable to think the context has changed from porn community titles to your personal thoughts on how to refer to a specific ethnic group in any situation.
That's how I (and I assume many others) read the situation.
No. Myself, and the commenter who was being responded to, said that referring to Black people as "blacks" is dehumanizing, which it is, and the context being asked for was an alternative term for an NSFW community. Hopefully that clarifies the issue.
I believe you'll find that it's Ebony and Ivory. .... Side by side in perfect harmony
Pretty sure they prefer black like native Americans prefer Indians. Can we call people white? I've never heard anyone wants to be called ebony. I only know the term ebony from porn
Nope, I'll stop you right there. And the context is porn. Note, again, the term being discussed is not Black, which is perfectly kosher, but referring to Black people as "blacks", which is considered dehumanizing.
As for alternatives, the existing PoC-run reddit communities are called Ebony, GoneWildColor, GWBlackGirls, etc. Hopefully that gives you some insight.
Yeah because the majority of blacks use reddit and ebony porn sites. So do you call them ebonies?
Not exactly sure what you're asking, but no, collective nouns aren't generally pluralized in English, nor is the term appropriate outside of a porn context. Are you a native English speaker?
Why is the term acceptable to porn, do they not use English?
It's far more acceptable than "blacks". It also avoids the issue of associating general search terms for groups of people with sexualized contexts as has unfortunately been done to Asian women and others.
Pfffffft, sounds like a load of bs. What about Brazilians?
Brazilian isn't a race, and Black isn't a nationality. Incredibly, it's even possible to be both. I hope your confusion has been cleared up.
You said Asians. So what about Persians?
Blacks and whites. Indians and Asians. Look, it's plural. Add an S, guess it's dehumanizing? I think the term daddy is dehumanizing. Please, only use dad. Do not add another dy.
Yes, generally referring to groups of people as pluralized adjectives is considered dehumanizing.
https://www.archives.gov/research/catalog/lcdrg/appendix/black-person
https://nabjonline.org/news-media-center/styleguide/#styleguidea
This is for the exact same reason you would not refer to a singular Black person as "a black". If you still have trouble perceiving the issue, consider how jarring the term "a gay" would seem in print.
I didn't say "a black", context matters no? Everyone thought saying Indian was offensive and came up with native American, until realizing that is more offensive? Just because it's plural doesn't make it dehumanizing. Black people says blacks, I don't hear them say a group of black people.
Are you under the impression that race and nationality are equivalent? If you're asking whether the term is considered dehumanizing, that's been answered for you, and if you're asking why, that's been answered as well. In English, racial and ethnic terms are generally used as adjectives, and we don't use adjectives as nouns when referring to groups of people.
I think what is dehumanizing is a matter of opinion
Exactly, and only one fucking opinion matters. That of the people affected. Glad we cleared that up, cheers.
When I lived in Kenya, basically every one called me musungu which is used for westerns but means literally "white face", I don't think I felt dehumanised, but that was years ago before Chinese people invaded Kenya.
Okay
Oh, sorry, my point of view from another part of the world that doesn't endorse your agenda is too much inconvenient for you?
No
Yes, it is.
I suppose it depends on context.