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submitted 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago) by Blaze@sopuli.xyz to c/fediverse@lemmy.world

Seems like they are under attack again, will those people never stop? I feel sorry for the admin team.

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[-] altima_neo@lemmy.zip 74 points 1 year ago

Those guys can't catch a break. By whom or why are they getting attacked anyway?

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 18 points 1 year ago

Probably by some ground against the Fediverse or lemmy specifically.

[-] A_A@lemmy.world 15 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

This single post :
https://lemmy.world/post/2874044
https://lemmy.ca/post/2904207
...has a comment from an hexbear user who thinks this is very funny. (hidden from here because we defederated them)

[-] HelloHotel@lemmy.world 11 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

thats not communism, thats red painted bullshit. please DO ~defederate from whatever the hell that is.~ remove trolls using false flags.

my idiot self's old comment~~within these people are a sort of poison, one that entrenches them in their symbols and attack others with pride, like an idiot. the (alt? and regular?) right uses these losers and their corrupted ideas and flag clutching as ammunition (for example, against Trans folk).~~

~~Edit: I was using a hammer when i nedded a scalpel. Generally dont like my rant written in anger. To be clear, Waving a communist or trans flag and then being a narcisist in public. It is either a false flag or an idiot. Result is a useful addition to a news media's hyperreality.~~

~~Edit: i am REALLY unhappy with this comment, i fail by leaving whats implied unsaid. A natural observer given a big name like CNN saying things is always at risk of treeting the whole movement like a tom and jarry cartoon. Antifa usually gets a bad reputation, is it warrented? I dont know because the news is designed to let you make short and usually wrong assumptions. One commenter was right, you fight the news by looking out the window and seeing the negbors arent loonitics and in fact rather lovely.~~

Edit: i am still REALLY unhappy with this comment, also spelling I cant really speak on these issues as I need guidance more than answers. I have been told to not worry about the propaganda machine (my old and current psychological trap) and to rather be free of it and to free others by showing them a better place. I was merely dragging people into the machine I sought to destroy. for this I am sorry.

[-] GhostOfHoxha@lemmy.ml 2 points 1 year ago

the (alt? and regular?) right uses these losers and their corrupted ideas and flag clutching as ammunition (for example, against Trans folk).

The local org that helps connect trans people with resources like housing and medical care is mostly made up of and run by ML’s. The idea that fascists would be kinder to trans people if ML’s stopped existing is ahistorical nonsense.

[-] HelloHotel@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I retract my old comment and want to fix it, im unhappy with it

[-] VolatileExhaustPipe@lemmygrad.ml 2 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

The good old: "Actually people supporting trans are doing the right a service!"

Pity that hexbear is a bastion of trans posters, which means you are effectively saying: "Trans people are (used by) right wing people as ammunition!" which is right, but right wingers do weaponize everything. There is no way to behave nice enough to complacence them.

I have yet to find a post in your profile in which you do write public support for our trans comrades 🏳️‍⚧️. I doubt you will, but even if you do it it will remain performative unless you repeat it online, amplify trans voices and start to support your LGBTQ community in your meat space. However since you have no positive comment in the last month it is clear that you are objectively not supporting trans rights, since your only mention is how a group you disagree with - which itself does support trans rights - is hurting trans folk. to the audience Raise your hands if that does sound transphobe to you.

The X are poison is a very common fascist talking point that is actually a verbatim quote of not only that, but Nazi propaganda.

[-] HelloHotel@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I retract my old comment and want to fix it, im unhappy with it. I am sorry

[-] relevantnanana@lemm.ee 11 points 1 year ago

You're saying hexbear users are responsible?

[-] A_A@lemmy.world 7 points 1 year ago

We sustained an attack right after their defederation, I have no proof now, maybe time will tell.

[-] roux@lemmy.ml 9 points 1 year ago

Gotta love a good baseless claim.

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[-] VolatileExhaustPipe@lemmygrad.ml 7 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Hexbear was also experiencing traffic which would fit DDoS, do you suggest that dot world did DDoS Hexbear, too?

Who poisoned the well? Its the witches fault!

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[-] HelloHotel@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

~I really hope world can stay alive, they are in danger of completely undoing all of the work lemmy has done to get users. if they take world offline, that will create FUD that proves no point and gets people off lemmy saying "wow, I have nothing to show for my time, im going back to a stable site, maybe Reddit is the only safe place for content."~

[-] relevantnanana@lemm.ee 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

It could have been beehaw? I mean, I have exactly the same amount of proofthat you have.

[-] A_A@lemmy.world 0 points 1 year ago

Being the biggest instance and having defederated with a couple of instances has made us a target.

This is a quote from L.W.AdmiS' post :
Lemmy World outages

At the time I made my first comment in here, there was no word from any admin, so, I had that (hypothesis //hunch //educated_guess) whatever you may call it. And then I wrote : "time will tell". Well, I had the confirmation I needed for that L.W.Admin.

Finally, if you need some more information, you may search it by yourself - - I have nothing more to say.

[-] relevantnanana@lemm.ee 0 points 1 year ago

Where does he say it was hexbear?

[-] Fawxhox@lemmy.world 8 points 1 year ago

Man hexbear is such a shit show. When chapotraphouse was a sub I was on there near 24/7 for like 2 years, and it was the best online experience I've ever had. Then they migrated over to hexbear and it's like only the worst, most self righteous people from the community moved over. I'm literally the most left person I personally know by a wide margin, and I got called a reactionary and told to kill myself and then a mod agreed with them and banned me for a week over a blatantly pro trans comment that apparently wasn't pro trans in the right way. Like it literally said "trans people should be able to do whatever the fuck they want with their body, I don't care, it doesn't effect me" and like 5 people were like "you 'don't care' about trans people? Do the world a favor and fucking kill yourself, you're literally butchering trans comrades with your comment"

[-] Doesnotexist@lemmy.world 12 points 1 year ago

It literally kills me when people say literally when they mean figuratively.

[-] Fawxhox@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago

Multiple dictionaries define literally as figuratively, language changes

[-] VolatileExhaustPipe@lemmygrad.ml 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

I’m literally the most left person I personally know by a wide margin

So you don't count people you know online, you also don't go to organizing union meetings, are not part of collectives and not part of a real left party (thus are likely an individualist, moralist, idealist liberal who will often - since there is little self critique and reflection - for example having thought how you could integrate parts of being anti racist in your life within a group). Of course you might be called a reactionary in some cases. Feel free to link to them, post those opinions in the un-safe space we got here as quote and people can do reflect on that. Taking your quote (which likely ignores context to present yourself in a better light) I have to say that:

trans people should be able to do whatever the fuck they want" (good) "***********************” (bad)

Yeah that is reactionary. You were rightfully banned as you broke server rules. There were enough campaigns i.e. "Read Trans Liberation!" for you to educate yourself. You didn't. You are not the victim here.

To break it down: You went into a space of solidarity and then climbed on a chair and yelled "I don't care about [group you are supposed to be having a minimum degree of solidarity with]". Everyone is able to understand that this is even if it is your uncle's birth date and you would yell that you don't care about your uncle it is a social faux pas. However what you did is much worse.

cat-trans The website's slogan at that point even was "We love our trans comrades!"

Besides:

and told to k**l m***lf and then a mod agreed with them

X: [Doubt]

You already showed yourself to be an unreliable narrator, no reason to believe such an extraordinary claim.

Edit Wonder who downvotes this post

Edit2:

CW in effect transphobia commited in a save space, with multiple repeating posts and comments and an unwillingness to see the perspectives of others, this is the context of what OP did post:

spoiler

Is the constantly talking about being trans in leftist spaces not also fueling the over focus on trans people? removed by mod posted by fawx [he/him] to askchapo •

So no one thinks I'm a troll, I completely support trans people doing whatever the fuck they want with their bodies. And I don't mind seeing trans stuff. But with that said, I feel like the hundreds and hundreds of posts I see about trans people is not helping. Going off like this site and a few others I browse you'd think trans people are like 40% of people instead of more like 2%.

I feel like constantly putting them in the spotlight, even to say you support them is just contributing to this "trans awareness burnout" I hear about in a lot of my non-leftist conversations.

I heard things similar to that within the spoiler during the 80s when I did attend gay meetups, protests and LGBTQ* representation in media became slightly more common (while what we did was still criminal in many places). Turns out I wasn't gay btw. I was bi (and that includes trans people as bi is defined as having attraction to more than one owns gender) and still am, but was, too. However the gay spaces were the spaces which enabled me to be myself and not the eternal cycle of "this is too much progress for the [women/black people/jews/italians/gays/insert minority/marginalized group of your choice]! they would progress more if they would be silent and try to pass as cis white evangelical hetero who eat meat and drink beer in unhappy marriages!"

fawx has the capacity to change and act different, as well as to not slander thousands of users with re-tellings of stuff that didn't happen like that and which minimizes their actions (which is understandable human, but it remains wrong. I do understand the emotional feeling of giving somebody a wipe as fawx did try to do with depicting hexbear as bad for excluding him for no reason - and the willing audience of people taking that for a fact instead of doing their due dilligence). Still the burden is on fawx to read, speak, listen and not primarily center themselves. If they are actually in the union they have enough ways to grow (attending IWW and other fighting unions organizing meetups and summer schools for example).

[-] diamat@lemmy.ml 6 points 1 year ago

This is the post that he got banned for. He basically barged into the space asking to tone it down with the trans support.

[-] raresbears@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Just to add to the context, here are some of the now removed comments from the log

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[-] midas@ymmel.nl 6 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Would be pretty sick if they effected us. Like a trans person comes around the corner and suddenly fireworks go off and glowsticks get handed out

[-] lol@lemy.lol 5 points 1 year ago

I'll be sure to start doing that.

[-] egonallanon@lemm.ee 4 points 1 year ago

I mean if you're uu hang aorund at a pride parade these are very really things that might happen.

[-] Rotten_potato@lemmy.world 3 points 1 year ago

Man, I'm happy I'm not the only one who feels like this. I had such a good time in the chapotraphouse sub and never forgave reddit for banning it. None of the offspring from there could really capture what made this sub special, the hexbear thing certainly can't.

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[-] VolatileExhaustPipe@lemmygrad.ml 3 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Understandable since one is a government funded :fedbposting: psyop running on servers in the basement of the FBI building. The other is Reddit.

Ayyyyyyy.

Was the joke. If you take that as proof that that user and hexbear as aggregate are responsible you might need to breath a bit and do learn to be more critical of media. People making jokes about you(r misfortune) aren't always out to get you.

To explain the joke:

dot world having a harder time with de federating Fascist propaganda (exploding heads and alike, while keeping their users) than with pre emptively doing a US centric Red scare and McCarthyism is quite funny and something the intelligence agencies of the US had in their hand books for over half a century. It is also often the action of liberals who think civility is more important that positive justice.

However lets say a piece or two about @A_A@lemmy.world, they are close to conspiracy thought sometimes.

Join “Lemmy.world” ; here you can create your own communities 🙂

Respect and thanks to the creators of lemmy-software, pretty sure they have friends (states) with big pockets 😆 !

Yeah, cause FOSS means evil communist governments secretly funding open source software.

They also regularly lie and misconstrue what people say.

All in all the user is a good example how liberal moderation policy (or the lack of them) leads to gray and black propaganda and spheres that are not emancipatory.

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[-] Touching_Grass@lemmy.world 9 points 1 year ago

I saw a comment that mentioned there was a user that was creating tons of communities and squatting on them. That user was called out and banned and they might be behind it. But its all rumours. Does anyone have more details on this rumour?

[-] Draconic_NEO@lemmy.world 1 points 1 year ago* (last edited 1 year ago)

Probably by some group against the Fediverse or lemmy specifically.

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