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Fucks sake, reading through these comments it appears the Zen browser developer doesn’t know what they are doing.
What alternatives are people using? I’m on Mac, iOS and Linux, avoiding Chrome/Safari and not looking to go back to Firefox, is there anything reliable/secure available?
LibreWolf
https://github.com/arkenfox/user.js/issues/1906
Not sure about the health of librewolf either, this thread suggests it's 3 overworked parttimers unable to keep up
"Hey all, I'm on the LibreWolf team, and it's true that since the departure of @fxbrit the project has taken a total nosedive when it comes to keeping up to date with Arkenfox and settings in general. We're still making releases, but settings did not get updated."
"As @threadpanic said, since fxbrit left we have been in a kind of "maintenance" mode in terms of settings. Mainly because we are really only three people left"
"LW since fxbrit left/died/who-knows has gone to shit - I worked with him behind the scenes to make the right choices and while he would do his own analysis, we always agreed, and his voice influenced them. Now they don't know what they are doing, and in fact have compromised security and make really stupid decisions. Same goes for all the other forks - really dubious shit going"
I use mullvad browser as it's maintained by mullvad and tor project and avoid stuff like Zen/floorp completely
Jesus fucking Christ. I am tired man. I'm tired. It's the second time I switch browsers today.
Crazy that there's pretty much nothing we can fully trust as consumers 🥲
Oh man Thorin was PISSED haha
How about waterfox?
Way worse afaik, not security focused at all
😭😭😭 Alright. Time to try mullvad ig.
What do you recommend for android? Is Fennec OK?
Ironfox is a better choice if you want something hardened/security focused
Thanks.
I mean, they do CLAIM to be. Idk how truthful that is tho
Privacy =/= security
Librewolf updates follow FF updates pretty quickly. Arkenfox settings haven't changed much in a long time, so I don't see that as an issue, personally.
Have you settled on anything yet? I really like the essentials part of zen but incompetence on that level scares me.
I'm looking at librewolf and firedragon. Librewolf to replace Firefox and firedragon to replace zen. Both are on flathub.
https://librewolf.net/ https://firedragon.garudalinux.org/
throw some waterfox on your firedragon
Haha that's funny. Will try waterfox as replacement for Firefox. Firedragon (zen) is for vertical tabs.
Vivaldi is a very mature product
Vivaldi is Chrome based
Thank you for the uninformed downvotes. Vivaldi is Chromium based with advanced adblocking and privacy features and other superior bells and whistles. OP wanted to avoid Chrome (for obvious reasons) while looking for a well-working multiplatform browser.
people are down-voting you because they don't want chromium either
Quite the irony then that people vote for LibreWolf, which is according to the same logic even more Firefox-ish (being a direct fork) than Chromium Chrome-ish (inverse relation). Not to mention Wolf looking half-dead, which sounds like a 0-day paradise. But whatever floats your boat, I just mentioned an alternative according to the OP's query.
Jesus. I didn't downvote you, and I was referring to people not wanting the engine, Chrome and Chromium.