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Bro literally had the votes for single payer and didn't take it.
Bro literally demonstrably didn't because caucusing independent Joe Lieberman voted against Public Option leaving the DNC dead in the water with 59 and a Republican Filibuster. The DNC count was 58 + 2 ind, and only for 72 days.
Here's an article from 2009 that analyzes this point about the White House during the 111th Congress bit: https://www.politico.com/story/2009/12/what-if-obama-hadnt-ostracized-dean-030752
Obama White House worked against itself on healthcare reform during that time period. Actively. Lieberman was essentially helping the White House's mission.
Some of us who were fighting that fight back then haven't forgotten or willfully pulled the wool over our eyes when the turn happened. Some of us were still pissed about abortion disappearing from legistlative priorities immediately after the election.
This ridiculous trend of people linking one or multiple opinion articles is as fucking annoying as Tankies leaving a giant wall of text pulling from various manifestos, you've basically done the same thing with an added middleman. A bunch of what-ifs and hypotheticals doesn't change the facts. Getting 58 DNC senators wasn't enough but it was still a huge accomplishment, and this "all or nothing" approach to reform is just childish. Just because Obama didn't give Dean a bunch of positions doesn't indicate any acts of malice, and his actual choice for HHS, Kathleen Sebelius was also a supporter for Public Option.
Overturning SCOTUS decisions isn't as simple as electing a simple senate majority, you're either wildly misinformed or you're arguing in bad faith.
Are you referring to Dobbs? ...In response to the Obama White House backing off codifying Roe v Wade in his first term?
Under Obama they had a supermajority of 58 plus 2 Independents for 72 days and it was still the most productive congress over a decade before and after it, and the SCOTUS had until much later on upheld the Roe v Wade decision so it was probably low on the priority list.
I mean, it's not like anybody expected Obama's last scotus nomination to be denied by congress and the next presidency to replace enough judges to completely flip the majority around.
"Childish" is framing opinion different than your own as lesser rather than engaging, and accusing others of bad faith.
Do i need to make myself more clear, young man? Or would that be uncivil? Sheesh, you're as exhausting as a teenager
Oh I didn't engage? Yes clearly I didn't engage. Sorry for not engaging.
I'm sorry i have never found the proper combination of words to make empty fools discover shame, so i guess we're both sad now.
There were a LOT of shitty liberal status-quo standards that Obama stamped down, solidified and made mandate for 8 years while paving the way for conservatism to run amuck across the country by not using his unprecedented power to actually implement and federally protect progressive politics and install judges. ACA was so watered-down from the public option we all wanted, that it was literally a plan invented by Republicans, Mitt Romney specifically.
I thought Obama was a great person, he was a great leader, he was inspiring and helped create prosperity and peace for many years. But I'm not a personality cultist, I have some serious criticisms of his presidency and how he managed the Democratic party (or failed to).
He had every opportunity to push America into a new era of social policies and protections for all people, and what actually happened is a lot of banks made a lot of money.
He thought he could compromise Republicans into behaving, he didn't realize until it was too late that they'd never support a black man. And since the GOP knows that a black president is a possibility, they'll never allow a Democrat to bring their voice above a whisper again
Bingo
I'm not from the us, what does it mean?
“Single payer” refers to the government being the one paying for healthcare and prescriptions, and thus having tons of leverage to negotiate lower costs while also providing healthcare to everybody.
Basically, it was one possible method to bring healthcare in the US up to the level of the rest of the developed world.
Single Payer is basically the system most countries have where healthcare is not a luxury good, but a human right.