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Some Hexbear people were talking excitedly about advocating for Claudia de la Cruz. I pointed out that if Trump wins, they might go into concentration camps (And look! That is happening, some prominent leftists have already been disappeared).
A tide of people pretended that I had said I would be happy about leftists going into concentration camps (I am not), sent me pig ballsacks, threatened me with death, threatened me with being stabbed with an icepick, sent me insults, agreed with each other about what a piece of shit I was, sent me custom-crafted memes to emphasize how much they didn't care what I thought, and one person seemed like they wanted to have a factual conversation about it (they made some accusations about what reality was that were at least subject enough to proof or disproof to be worth discussing). I decided to try talking about it a little and it went about like you would think.
I'm clearly not a bigot, racist, or et cetera any of those things. Hexbear operates under a sort of "no true scotsman" logic by which anyone who they disagree with is automatically one or all of those things, and so it's okay to be horrible to anyone they disagree with. Again, that's why they are widely defederated.
Here's the thread, including both my unwarranted smugness and Hexbear's predictable reaction which has nothing to do with anti-bigotry (and, in fact, has played some small role in enabling the worsening of bigotry and genocide, now that Trump is in office): https://ponder.cat/post/525489/763331
I do feel like I was smug and insulting out of the gate for more or less no reason. But also, I feel like demanding that I have to come in super respectful and kind, so they can respond in their famous chosen fashion, is laughable. I'm just speaking to them in the language that they clearly are approving of, just from the other side. That's fair, to me.
Basically, thinking someone is wrong, and telling them so and telling them why, is not "bad faith." Not in any world. Again this is the Hexbear no-true-scotsman thing, where they're super open and everyone is welcome except obvious awful horrible liberals who need to be attacked at every turn because they deserve it, and anyone who disagrees with them in any way is obviously that. This is why I tend to talk badly about Hexbear: Because they feel comfortable talking badly about everyone else, and hurling abuse and trolling at anyone and everyone, so fuck 'em. If they don't want to be treated like that, they can open a conversation about the value of the social contract, and we can talk, but otherwise, oh well.
Edit: The person edited their response, abandoning the debate I guess being unhappy with the nature of it. Seems reasonable, they're not obligated to talk if they don't want to. Maybe if I'd sent them a picture of a pig ballsack, they would have been receptive and felt comfortable with how appropriate the whole conversation was.