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spoilerScientists have found new but tentative evidence that a faraway world orbiting another star may be home to life.

A Cambridge team studying the atmosphere of a planet called K2-18b has detected signs of molecules which on Earth are only produced by simple organisms.

This is the second, and more promising, time chemicals associated with life have been detected in the planet's atmosphere by Nasa's James Webb Space Telescope (JWST).

But the team and independent astronomers stress that more data is needed to confirm these results.

The lead researcher, Prof Nikku Madhusudhan, told me at his lab at Cambridge University's Institute of Astronomy that he hopes to obtain the clinching evidence soon.

"This is the strongest evidence yet there is possibly life out there. I can realistically say that we can confirm this signal within one to two years."

K2-18b is two-and-a-half times the size of Earth and is 700 trillion miles, or 124 light years, away from us - a distance far beyond what any human could travel in a lifetime.

JWST is so powerful that it can analyse the chemical composition of the planet's atmosphere from the light that passes through from the small red Sun it orbits.

The Cambridge group has found that the atmosphere seems to contain the chemical signature of at least one of two molecules that are associated with life: dimethyl sulphide (DMS) and dimethyl disulphide (DMDS). On Earth, these gases are produced by marine phytoplankton and bacteria.

Prof Madhusudhan said he was surprised by how much gas was apparently detected during a single observation window.

"The amount we estimate of this gas in the atmosphere is thousands of times higher than what we have on Earth," he said.

"So, if the association with life is real, then this planet will be teeming with life," he added.

Prof Madhusudhan went further: "If we confirm that there is life on K2-18b, it should basically confirm that life is very common in the galaxy."

He told BBC Radio 5Live on Thursday: "This is a very important moment in science, but also very important to us as a species.

"If there is one example, and the universe being infinite, there is a chance for life on many more planets."

Dr Subir Sarkar, a lecturer in astrophysics at Cardiff University and part of the research team, said the research suggests K2-18b could have an ocean which could be potentially full of life - though he cautioned scientists "don't know for sure".

He added that the research team's work will continue to focus on looking for life on other planets: "Keep watching this space."

There are lots of "ifs" and "buts" at this stage, as Prof Madhusudhan's team freely admits.

Firstly, this latest detection is not at the standard required to claim a discovery.

For that, the researchers need to be about 99.99999% sure that their results are correct and not a fluke reading. In scientific jargon, that is a five sigma result.

These latest results are only three sigma, or 99.7%. Which sounds like a lot, but it is not enough to convince the scientific community. However, it is much more than the one sigma result of 68% the team obtained 18 months ago, which was greeted with much scepticism at the time.

But even if the Cambridge team obtains a five sigma result, that won't be conclusive proof that life exists on the planet, according to Prof Catherine Heymans of Edinburgh University and Scotland's Astronomer Royal, who is independent of the research team.

"Even with that certainty, there is still the question of what is the origin of this gas," she told BBC News.

"On Earth it is produced by microorganisms in the ocean, but even with perfect data we can't say for sure that this is of a biological origin on an alien world because loads of strange things happen in the Universe and we don't know what other geological activity could be happening on this planet that might produce the molecules."

That view is one the Cambridge team agree with. They are working with other groups to see if DMS and DMDS can be produced by non-living means in the lab.

"There is still a 0.3% chance that it might be a statistical fluke," Prof Madhusudhan said.

Suggesting life may exist on another planet was "a big claim if true", he told BBC Radio 4's Today programme, adding: "So we want to be really, really thorough, and make more observations, and get the evidence to the level that there is less than a one-in-a-million chance of it being a fluke."

He said this should be possible in "maybe one or two years".

Other research groups have put forward alternative, lifeless, explanations for the data obtained from K2-18b. There is a strong scientific debate not only about whether DMS and DMDS are present but also the planet's composition.

The reason many researchers infer that the planet has a vast liquid ocean is the absence of the gas ammonia in K2-18b's atmosphere. Their theory is that the ammonia is absorbed by a vast body of water below.

But it could equally be explained by an ocean of molten rock, which would preclude life, according to Prof Oliver Shorttle of Cambridge University.

"Everything we know about planets orbiting other stars comes from the tiny amounts of light that glance off their atmospheres. So it is an incredibly tenuous signal that we are having to read, not only for signs of life, but everything else," he said.

"With K2-18b part of the scientific debate is still about the structure of the planet."

Dr Nicolas Wogan at Nasa's Ames Research Center has yet another interpretation of the data. He published research suggesting that K2-18b is a mini gas giant with no surface.

Both these alternative interpretations have also been challenged by other groups on the grounds that they are inconsistent with the data from JWST, compounding the strong scientific debate surrounding K2-18b.

Prof Chris Lintott, presenter of the BBC's The Sky at Night, said he had "great admiration" for Prof Madhusudhan's team, but was treating the research with caution.

"I think we've got to be very careful about claiming that this is 'a moment' on the search to life. We've [had] such moments before," he told Today.

He said the research should be seen instead as "part of a huge effort to try and understand what's out there in the cosmos".

Prof Madhusudhan acknowledges that there is still a scientific mountain to climb if he is to answer one of the biggest questions in science. But he believes he and his team are on the right track.

"Decades from now, we may look back at this point in time and recognise it was when the living universe came within reach," he said.

"This could be the tipping point, where suddenly the fundamental question of whether we're alone in the universe is one we're capable of answering."

The research has been published in The Astrophysical Journal Letters.

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[–] AtmosphericRiversCuomo@hexbear.net 6 points 2 weeks ago (4 children)

Really hope this is true, but to me, this would just create more questions than it answers wrt intelligent life. The Fermi paradox is still in effect, basically. If there is life that close to us (even single-celled), that implies the universe is absolutely lousy with life, and therefore we should be constantly picking up electromagnetic radiation (radio waves) from other advanced life. Yet we're not.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 8 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago) (1 children)

Hot take: There’s no such thing as the Fermi Paradox, the day I learned anything about radio emissions is the day that theory became bunk to me, the radio bubble surrounding earth is only 75-light-years wide, and the furthest signals are weak and undetectable even with sensitive equipment

The theory rests on the assumption that radio is a universal technology and not a short-lived transitional technology, most of this planet already communicates primarily thru microwaves and fiber optics, even if radio is a common “transitional” technology the magnitudes of time implied in trying to find it at the right time in space makes detection nearly impossible

At a certain distance we can’t distinguish between natural and artificial radio signals, the debates over the WOW! Signal and BLC1 show even if you detect “something” it doesn’t mean much to the wider scientific community

We JUST started looking for techno-signatures in an organized fashion during the last four years, and even that method suffers from similar problems to the radio method (debate over Taby’s Star for instance)

We’re a blind, deaf person in the middle of the woods who occasionally whispers Marco Polo every ten years and then wonders where everyone is

Planetary radar from earth emits a 10,000 light year bubble, but yeah, I get what you mean. If anyone were to detect it, would they even interpret it as a valid signal? And would we even still be here by the time they received it? Kinda grim.

[–] buckykat@hexbear.net 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Of the 3.8 billion years that life has existed on earth, we've only been making radio waves for a little over a century

Right, and even in that short time that's still (give or take by a couple decades) enough time to be detectable by other life forms if the distances involved between our world and this one is anything to go by. It's real close.

Plus, if we assume we're not first (which I doubt) then life starting somewhere else, say 3.9 billion years ago, could mean ET emitting radio waves for 100 million years by now! A time/distance that makes this really look like you could reach out and touch it.

[–] happybadger@hexbear.net 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

If this turns out to be an ocean world, that's working toward a partial solution to the Fermi paradox. Life might be common, even around hostile star classes like red dwarfs, but the safest place for life to develop is in a setting where you can't develop fire-based technology. Life could be as intelligent as a dolphin without the ability to do metallurgy or cook food.

[–] AtmosphericRiversCuomo@hexbear.net 6 points 2 weeks ago* (last edited 2 weeks ago)

Ocean worlds are common + ocean world roughly every 120 light years => billions of ocean worlds with the potential for complex life

An octopus or something should be able to occasionally climb out of the waves and build a radio. Where is my Octopus version of Prairie Home Companion?!? Get on it you slimy weirdos.

[–] LargeAdultRedBook@hexbear.net 4 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

It is probable that civilizations are either not a common form of life or that electromagnetic radiation is not used to communicate as we understand it for very long in the lifespan of a civilization.

[–] AtmosphericRiversCuomo@hexbear.net 5 points 2 weeks ago (1 children)

Right, this result (if confirmed) makes either of those much more likely.

I refuse to believe ET doesn't use radio for something though, even if they're emitting some kind of signature on accident.

[–] LargeAdultRedBook@hexbear.net 1 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I refuse to believe ET doesn't use radio for something though

If ET consists of individuals operating in a society and have competing interests between individuals, they will probably need encryption, secrecy, and tampering resistence. If they need that, the best transmission mechanism will use quantum entanglement instead of radio waves. So radio transmissions are probably a short blip in technological development if used at all.

Think if we discovered fiber optic cables and Wi-Fi before AM/FM radio transmission, we may never use radio for long range transmission. Especially likely if the planet's gravity is too strong for rocketry to develop first to place satellites in orbit.

Even so, our radio bubble is tiny, and EM waves lose power quickly enough that we have little ability to detect most of them, especially lower energy waves. The chances of us noticing a 200 year blip matching a civilization's technological development through the EM noise of the rest of the universe is extremely slim.

I think radio waves are more likely to be specific to our technological development than evidence our universe is nearly devoid of civilizations.

[–] AtmosphericRiversCuomo@hexbear.net 2 points 1 week ago (1 children)

I thought you can't send usable information via quantum entangled particles?

[–] pcalau12i@lemmygrad.ml 1 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

If you are talking about nonlocal (faster than light) communication, you are right. You can't transmit information in the sense of nonlocal communication. Quantum mechanics is an empirically local theory, meaning that it predicts the universe we observe is 100% local. The mathematical formalism describes a universe containing nothing empirically observable to be faster than light. This is proven by the no-communication theorem.

The claims to nonlocality therefore are not physical but metaphysical, because they all arise from certain philosophical assumptions about the relationship between the mathematics of the system and its ontology, which is then used to argue that something unobservable is being transmitted faster than light. The most famous assumption being the EPR criterion which leads you to conclude that there is a sudden unobservable change in the system's ontological status that occurs faster than light.

However, there are different metaphysical criteria where nonlocality doesn't arise, you can see the paper "Relational EPR" on arxiv for example, that has a different philosophical account of the relationship between the mathematical formalism and the ontology of the system, specifically crafted to avoid the kind of seeming invisible nonlocality that shows up from the EPR criterion.

Thanks for the breakdown.