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Even the hunters I know with freezers full of hunted meat buy from the store because they don't hunt cows, chickens, lambs, etc
Ya and AFAIK hunting is incredibly expensive. It seems that dudes just pay a fuck ton of money for the license just to LARP at being self-sufficient anprim.
As an aside, one billion percent you want an organised civilisation. One does not want to make everything they need by hand. Automation and specialisation are amazing things. People think they're smart and strong enough to grow all their food, make their clothes, build their home and ALL their furniture, defend their shit, heal their medical problems, educate their children, and entertain themselves. FFS no you are not. A lot of reactionaries are itching for this kind of world, without ever having done it for more than a weekend camping. I guarantee you that every chud dude will miss his electrified home after spending a year pooping outside and drinking untreated water.
hunting can be incredibly cost effective. at least in Canada. You pay for your license, and shot. I know a number of hunters whose first gun was a gift, so there's a good chance, you don't HAVE to buy a gun if you've got the right community. The hunters I know go to private areas where they've developed relationships with the owners. They'll go for water fowl, deer, and rabbits at these usually farmers fields.
??? So hunting is OKish when you're friends with rich owners. Got it.
You do understand that animal farmers are the first people to kill predator animals, right?
Explaining how some people do it cost effectively doesn't mean that I'm condoning it. I didn't start explaining that with the intent of bothering people. When you're making arguments with people it's good to have facts on your side. Fishing and hunting can be inexpensive.
I guess your intention is good, but it's making people uncomfortable. Also hunting for survival is not something that most people can do anymore.
Gotta say I don't care much for reading defenses of hunting in the vegan comm.
Explaining that hunting can be cost effective doesn't negate the cruelty of it.
I'm trying to be a chill mod, but it seems that others aren't OK with this convo here.
@JayTreeman@hexbear.net by chance, are you vegan?
Yeah, sorry, but I see the talking point about hunting enough literally everywhere else on the internet, I don't really want to rehash it in this explicitly vegan comm.
Nah you're right. I'll ask another mod what to do about this. I try to not be heavy handed, but people gotta find edge cases to argue their bullshit.
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I thought so. Thank you.