this post was submitted on 03 May 2025
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You overestimate the abilities of programmers. Most of these labor aristocrats are paid to enact the will of their bosses and do not think of much else. There is little to no materialist thought in this field dominated by venture capital and military weapons contracts and that's by design.
My intro to computer science course in undergrad had zero discussions, zero readings, zero writings about the position of computers in society, it was basically a shitty coding job training course and related very, very little to actual intellectual thought outside of being able to write a specific type of computer document (python) in a very limited capacity. My professor also unironically believes in Chinese slave labor death camps in 2025 when I innocently mentioned studying in China post-undergrad, go figure.
the 1 mandatory writing course for engineers? How to write your resume.
As for the inadequate education standards, I think the commodification of education destroyed and devalued these standards in pretty much any field so it's not surprising that it is the case in computer science. But if you are interested enough in computer science to enter a university and/or work in the field, surely you might at least read up on machine learning and have the necessary background to kind of understand how it works and what it can and cannot do?
The people reading up on machine learning are the ones who want to exploit it for personal gain which leads to them absorbing the perspective of capitalists. People don't go into CS for their love of lambda calculus, they go into it because the West's austerity neoliberal hell has destroyed all other career paths. The US has made this explicit with DOGE but this is the pattern in all western countries and in the global south.
The CS track at my uni is far, far easier and less demanding than most other majors including ones like psychology. My humanities professors (I'm doing a double major) complain that the CS program is so railroaded that students are being exposed to the liberal arts less and less each year. Like, the resume course I mentioned counts for your core communication requirement for every student when in the past that was reserved for a mandatory foreign language track that all students had to take. They made this change and then lied to all the liberal arts departments that it wouldn't affect them when the reality is that far less students are choosing the humanities and thus the admin sees this as a justification to defund the liberal arts school even further.
Capitalists do not want smart, dedicated and innovative computer scientists they want the next prole they can overwork so they can build their new scam to destroy more of the real economy. Most "computer scientists" are like western economists who cheerlead for capital.
Person with a CS undergrad degree and about to graduate with a CS masters degree. Can confirm comp sci courses, even at the graduate level, are easy as shit and take minimal skill to do well in.
It's rather that I don't want to make assumptions about the abilities of my peers. While it is true that people I respect and look up to in the hacker/FOSS space are all vehemently against the LLM hype, disregarding the opinion of others on the grounds of feeling smarter than them doesn't satisfy me. I wish to understand why they feel the way they feel and I just can't, hence the being gaslighted feeling I described in my first comment.
I should reword what I mean: I mean that most programmers do not think using a materialist philosophy. Their decision making is delegated to the decisions of capital and liberal idealism of solving capitalism through technological superiority.
A majority of programmers in the West do not want to admit that their field is and has always been predicated on the wholesale suffering of the most vulnerable. That a majority of the innovation in the field is hoarded by oligarchs or that the real economies of their countries are barely holding onto to support them. These conversations are entirely absent in favor of profit margins and finance capital (because CS has been instrumental in coordinating and providing a space for finance capital to thrive)