I was watching a video by Frost (used to be with Second Wind doing the Cold Takes) about extraction shooters and their recent rise to popularity and what it means for gaming. He mentioned there that Miyazaki seems to be a fan of Tarkov and that he took inspiration for their upcoming multiplayer games from the game, concluding that both Nightreign as well as Duskbloods could be considered "extraction" games. Does that fit the bill?
I mean, in a sense it does: you drop into the world, no resources which you need to farm up, you fight enemies and explore the map for more resources and weapons, and you lose all your progress once you die. Could this be a new sub-genre, then?
You're describing roguelikes
Yes, true, though wouldn't an extraction shooter be also considered a roguelike then? Or a rogue-lite?
I suppose so. Metaprogression is your stash that you keep between runs. Tho extraction shooters also usually include PvP during the runs, so maybe that's the distinction.
Duskbloods is PvPvE, so maybe Duskbloods over Nightreign, then?
I think the biggest tell for extraction shooters is that you leave with loot and take said loot into the next world, and like you said, you have the chance of losing everything you enter with. I dont know if these 2 FS games have that specific mechanic
As pet their recent 10-minute video showing more gameplay and explaining details about the game, Nightreign seems to incorporate some sort of meta progression that you take with you across runs. Think upgrades to your character, for example
Because they're 2D RPGs with randomized dungeons?
I hate what "genre" has become in games, entirely meaningless. Wtf does roguelike even mean anymore when it's being used to describe multiplayer lootbox shooters?
Literally the core feature of roguelikes is that you reset to base state upon death. Which is what OP described.
My dude, there is "literally" no standard definition. There was even a fucking conclave about it.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roguelike#Berlin_Interpretation
If there's no standard definition, then I can apply whichever definition I want. What's your point?
You also just said it was a core feature and based on the link they provided.... it is a "high value factor" which sounds like a core feature to me.
Losing items/ progress between deaths is the difference between roguelike and roguelite as least as far as I've ever seen it used. So imo it would absolutely be a core feature since if a game has meta progression then it is now roguelite.
Oh hey what do you know, the link they provided even tells you that you're right
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So if people need a grading rubric to understand roguelikes then if the "core feature"(aka "high value factor") you describe is not there then it is a roguelite instead. Again that sounds awfully like a core feature to me