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[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 21 points 2 days ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (8 children)

the important question is what to do about it.

back in the day workers used pirate radio and printed newspaper to spread the word. today tv is too expensive to run and the hegemonic internet platorms bias their algorithms against it.

there are barely any workers awake to even spread the word by mouth.

[–] fishy@lemmy.today 1 points 1 day ago (5 children)

Use their tactics. Is it immoral to lie to an idiot to get them to vote in their own interests? They're already buying all kinds of bullshit like flat earth, anti vac, and trickle down economics; infiltrate their circles and cause confusion in the narrative. Break into their walled communities and drive division within their ranks.

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 3 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (1 children)

well... how? it seems to be much easier to divide leftists.

fascists seem to be so tight knit in their hate when i talk to them.

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago) (2 children)

The group everyone on the left are overlooking are the impoverished and struggling to get educated. The last minute trump grabbed the win by talking to them and convincing they’d be rich(which of course turned out to be a lie) but that is what got him the win. The Conservative Party leader in Canada was only coming out ahead for a while when he spoke about axing taxes and speaking to the impoverished/talking about bringing down house prices. He had no plan when it came time to show his notes but just talking about it was enough to throw gen z into a tizzy and just jump to the conservatives blindly.

Notice: they do this at the last minute to grab the wins.

Now that the race is done the loudest group are the MAGA which make up anywhere from 20-25% of the voters. Had it been maga vs conservatives the conservatives would have won in a landslide.

So don’t spend the time dividing incels from ultra religious from capitalists. Cuz you’re right. They will just stick together for each others main goal. It goes inherently against how the left operate.

Divide the impoverished from them. Focus on poverty. Focus on what is the worst thing about poverty and how you want to improve their life.

easier obtained education, health, work and housing.

Also mental health. Amp this up 10 fold. At least maybe those influenced by the incels have a chance to feel seen other than flocking to Joe rogan’s toxicity.

Address fentynal. Address mental health and addiction. And address it big time. Not just a nod. Make it a life goal. This is a hot topic in which everyone’s life especially in poverty have been affected by it. I can tell you first hand in free grief groups right now about 70-80% people have lost a loved one to fentynal. I wish I were kidding but this is a real sad reality in this moment. It is fucking scary how little it is talked about while how much a grip it has on society. And I dunno, maybe the ultra political dems at large don’t get caught up in this enough to notice it but it is kind of a big deal and a war zone on home soil right now. It really does need to be addressed by all parties way more than it is right now

[–] umbrella@lemmy.ml 4 points 1 day ago* (last edited 7 hours ago)

The last minute trump grabbed the win by talking to them

Thats because Trump has the entire media apparatus on his side. Yes, even the ones who say they are against him just amplify his voice. All of MSM is shit.

Leftists focus on the oppressed and addresses literally all the points you mentioned ad nauseam, but can't reach the public. By leftists I don't mean democrats btw, they are part of the problem.

We need a solution to that.

[–] seeigel@feddit.org 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

People only want to hear about their own problem. If you address all problems you repell everybody because nobody can stand listening to all of them, apart from an insignificant few voters.

[–] Smoogs@lemmy.world 2 points 1 day ago* (last edited 1 day ago)

This is not a care quota. This is about real and actual change. and I didnt get through what I went through to have it minimalized nor dismissed by a troll online who hasn’t stepped outside in this real world to see what I have and isn’t here for discussion about real problems let alone advocate for real change.

Checked your profile.

User: Seeigel poopoos ‘card says moops’ on every post. Seeigel is not here to help anyone or engage on any actual discussions. On my blocklist. I don’t negotiate with online trolls.

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