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All of their products are anti consumer and they have been for years. I don't understand why people still buy their products
Because I love the platform. I've been a Mac user for decades. People harp on marketing making us foam at the mouth for these products, but I genuinely love them. I also hate some decisions, but the time to switch platforms is not today or in the foreseeable future.
Yes, Linux would let me do most of what I want to do. But I appreciate the design of indie Mac apps. They're far beyond the polish of apps on Linux and Windows.
Sad to say it but yeah. I've never really used MacBooks, but I had an ipad pro 10.5 for years, and it finally died on me a few months ago. I recently replaced it with a 2 in 1 thinkpad, but the level of usability is just not the same. Tried windows (kinda half thought out) and currently going through Linux distros (mostly buggy when in purely touchscreen only mode) but it is a far cry ipad os, even if I have issues with it.
Yeah, I'm really trying to find a tablet that is about 8 inches and has extremely smooth usage of web browsing and YouTube, that isn't an iPad mini (or Samsung, just don't like their UI), and it seems like nothing comes close anywhere in the industry, maybe with the possible exception of the Google Pixel Tablet. It feels like the entire industry gave up trying to innovate tablets because iPads were that good.
Not to mention that they all abandoned headphone Jack's, even though if they kept them they might have actually got me. If you don't need a headphone jack, I'm pretty sure Huawei has some tablets running their harmonyOS (fork of android, I think), have heard they're pretty decent.
They're great work laptops, as long as you treat them as basically disposable. If I have a problem, just turn it into IT and grab another, pull down the repos and I'm off. Wouldn't buy one with my own money, though.
Really really good marketing, packaging and fomo overall
Not being forced to use Windows or having to hope that Ubuntu works, battery life, raw SoC performance, good keyboards (after they fixed the duds from 2016-2020), best trackpads in town, good quality apps, native Unix shell?
I was really looking into buying the Framework laptop but apart from that, everything seemed to be more or less crap (for my use cases) if you don't want to deal with Thinkpads.
They are just used to them. OS X has one specific way of working that, once you learn it, is quite good. It sucks completely if you try to use it in different way so if you don't like magic mouse (which sucks) and don't like using their laptop keyboard (which sucks) and touchpad you will not enjoy it. But if Mac is all you know, you're used to their hardware and know how it works you will love it because any other OS will be different and feel way less ergonomic. In my opinion if you're skilled Linux/Windows user will customized workflow OS X will feel limited and be painful to use. If it's you first computer or you don't have any established workflow you will like it a lot.
This isn't true for me. I use the same (cheap Logitech) mouse with Win11, Linux, and my MBPs. What's meant to be the issue? It's just like every other setup I've used in the last 30 years.
In my experience the only quick way to switch between windows of the same app, different apps, maximized apps and virtual desktops is using magic mouse/touchpad gestures. Without them it's simply painful. Maybe you found some setup that works for you but I wasn't able to reproduce the way I like to use WM in OS X. For example I use keyboard shortcuts to move windows between monitors and according to this https://apple.stackexchange.com/questions/367858/does-macos-have-a-keyboard-shortcut-for-moving-an-individual-window-to-another-m in OS X it was only made possible in 2020 (I stopped using OS X before that) or you had to use 3rd party app. Same with sending windows to different desktops: https://superuser.com/questions/184763/is-there-a-way-to-move-the-current-window-to-another-desktop-without-using-a-mou
That's a really interesting answer - it all makes sense that those things can be irritating, and also why I had no idea about them:
For years I have had my applications and windows (IDE, tabbed console, browser(s)) set up in fixed positions. I rarely switch between them in a way which isn't a keyboard shortcut (99% command-tab) or involves the mouse anyway (for testing, or video calls). I never normally move windows between screens or anything like that in my workflow.
In the good and very old days I literally just had emacs maximised and that was it, all day long 😇
I guess I got lucky in a sense - that not needing functionality meant I wasn't affected by it being missing, but it might partly be a positive side effect of desiring simplicity and less from the WM so I can focus on my own things.
Yes, that's exactly my view of OS X. If you can adapt your workflow to its limited functionality you will have a pretty stable, simple, easy to use environment. If you're workflow doesn't fit you're out of luck and using it will be very painful. Linux on the other hand just offers you all the settings you need so everyone can work the way they like.
I can't stand their keyboards. The keys have virtually no travel on them, they're all low profile, and for some insane reason that I can't work out, because isn't their core market supposed to be audio engineers and graphic artists, the keyboards have no buttons for bindable macros.
Meanwhile I can get an excellent keyboard with decent travel and macro buttons for very little money. I get why the keyboards have to be low profile on laptops but why do they also have low profile keyboards for desktops? They are objectively the worst possible keyboard for a desktop. But they look sleek and modern so I guess that's all that's important. And because they are anti everything they are anti-choice, so I don't get an alternate option, and have to buy an independent keyboard.
I don't any more because of this kind of thing but I can understand. A few points at the top of my head
Great desktop OS (note how Windows and Linux still to this day have inconsistencies on high DPI displays, to name just one example!
Integration between them is good
Security and privacy practices are great
The phones are very consistent with camera quality and battery life
Windows has pretty great high dpi, Apple privacy is pretty awful and they hide everything they are doing, security is definitely getting worse on MacOS while the opposite is the case on Windows. And Apple still doesn't super touchscreen which is an immediate deal breaker
There's a lot of [citation needed] here, as for touchscreen I can see Apple's point also, I've never had any desire at all to sit there with my arm outstretched poking a PC display (and covering it in fingerprints too). I've played with touchscreen laptops and it feels just as arm-tiring and unnatural as they said.
I guess if you've only played with it briefly you could feel that way but it's really not the case, especially when you consider convertibles. Fingerprints on the screen are no more of an issue on a laptop as they would be on your phone obviously. Apples only point for not supporting touchscreen doesn't actually have anything to do with any of those factors actually, their reasoning is only related to maximizing revenue from the iPad as a convertible laptop well replace the need for a tablet. I mean you can stand around and say touchscreens are bad and uncomfortable but there is a reason they are so popular and used so commonly.
Windows privacy is shocking. Windows security used to be shocking so it improving is just returning to average. I don't see any reason to think Apple devices security is getting worse. If anything it's actually getting better.