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I actually think that this line of thinking is, in itself, incredibly homophobic. I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one who thinks so either.
You’re right. It is damaging to the LGBT community when people say shit like this. This line of thinking is everywhere online, and it needs to stop. The people that commit these crimes are bigots, not closeted homosexuals. “Every accusation is a confession”. Not when it comes to anti-gay violence. Anti-gay violence is rooted in hate, not some fear of being outed for being gay.
I don't think either of you are wrong, tbh. I don't think they're completely wrong because it seems like, time and time again, the most outspoken homophobes tend to be caught engaging in homosexual acts themselves. At the same time, however, it feels kinda dismissive and like it's shifting the blame.
Like, "this could have been avoided if the poor man was just able to freely express himself".
No, there's no guarantee that would have happened, and regardless, he still (presumably) burned down their house, dug up their dog's bones, put the dog's remains on display, and then murdered the victim, all because they were gay. That's absolutely disgusting and it doesn't matter if the murderer was closeted gay or not, he's still a disgusting inhuman creature who went above and beyond to cause someone as much pain and grief as possible.
I might not use the same language, but I have also noted that so often, these right wing anti-gay crusaders have secret gay lives. Highlighting their hypocrisy in addition to their hatred. I wouldn't want to seem at all homophobic, can you explain what I'm missing?
Mull over it for a bit. You'll get there!
I guess because it links being gay to being deceitful, or in general associates homosexuality as being shameful?
I don't really buy that? I'm just calling hypocrites hypocrites when they are being hypocritical.
But I'm open to being educated.
Would've been less of an ass if I had time to write.
I'm not gonna pretend to be any more educated.
But, to be straightforward, the issue is less acknowledging that it occurs, but rather what's implied when suggesting that all or most people that commit homophobic violence are themselves, gay.
One is suggesting that homophobic violence is largely or entirely between gays, both excusing homophobic behavior (righteous homosexuals still know violence is the right option) and reinforcing the idea that homosexuality is a mental illness.
Thanks for taking the time to explain your perspective!