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cross-posted from: https://lemmy.ml/post/31339435

By Orlando Mayorquín and Jesus Jiménez
Reporting from Los Angeles
Published June 6, 2025 Updated June 7, 2025, 11:10 a.m. ET

"The raid at the clothing wholesaler began about 9:15 a.m. in the Fashion District, less than two miles from Los Angeles City Hall.

It was an extraordinary show of force. Dozens of federal agents wearing helmets and green camouflage arrived in two hulking armored trucks and other unmarked vehicles, and were soon approached by a crowd of immigrant activists and supporters. Some agents carried riot shields and others held rifles, as well as shotguns that appeared to be loaded with less-than-lethal ammunition."

https://archive.ph/2ntr1

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[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)

I'm just now getting back to respond to notifications on here. Do you think the june 14th no-kings protest was enough?

Also, what do we do once we have lots of people? Controlling optics to accumulate confidence and focused, actionable outrage into positivity is good. But what then? Because I'm worried about what team Trump is working on, now that his pp is more shriveled from his metaphorical birthday spanking.

[–] disguy_ovahea@lemmy.world 1 points 1 day ago (1 children)
[–] SCmSTR@lemmy.blahaj.zone 1 points 1 day ago

Tldr: against a fascist, much, much more lawbreaking and potentially rebellion has to take place, not just protesting.

Idealizing the solution as simply protesting nonviolently is...naive. It's a good start, but by absolutely no means the end goal.

It seems that BBC article doesn't quite do more than correlation over history, and doesn't touch so much on what it seems to largely point to, which is "civil disobedience".

I felt compelled to define that term, so I looked into it, and the underlying theories and differing philosophies that seem to contrast each other.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Civil_disobedience

Civil, specifically nonviolent, Disobedience seems to be pointed at regulation and policy, rather than a fascist coup on the government. Read the Wikipedia article's section on Theory. It's complicated and seems to be excerpts of various authors and philosophers trying to define and correlate how to correctly apply morality over law to the goal of successful change.

Howard Zinn, notably does not condemn means of violence: rejects any "easy and righteous dismissal of violence".

It's not a map of political change, by any means, but I think blind adherence and blind condemnation without strategy is going to backfire in the long-run if it fails, which, even when nonviolence civil disobedience is applied to simple policy change (which this is not, it is violence from the bourgeoisie who have claimed all of the top political power positions in government) only has about a 50% success rate in history; if this movement fails and people place all their hopes on legal (civil disobedience is very clearly, overwhelmingly illegal, it's in the name) and nonviolent protesting in large numbers, their spirits may be crushed.

I saw questionable picketing signs on Saturday, and the corrective level of commitment to what I believe to be bordering on revolution, is... There will be many who are awake and willing to do what is actually right, but there are also many who remain asleep with weak constitutions and who will face a terrifying and harsh reality.

I wish this weren't the case, and I do believe protesting in massive numbers is the correct start for most people. But, escalation is almost all but ensured, and we must not naively be unprepared.