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Image is of the damage caused by an Iranian Kheibar Shekan ballistic missile in Israel, causing dozens of injuries.


Now in our second week of the conflict, we have seen continuing damage to both Israel and Iran, as well as direct US intervention which nonetheless seems to have caused limited damage to Fordow and little damage to Iran's nuclear program. Regime change seems more elusive than ever, as even Iranians previously critical of the government now rally around it as they are attacked by two rabid imperialists at once. And Iran's government is tentatively considering a withdrawal, or at minimum a reconsideration, of their membership to the IAEA and the NPT. And, of course, the Strait of Hormuz is still a tool in their arsenal.

A day or so on from the strike on Fordow, we have so far seen basically no change in strategy from the Iranian military as they continue to strike Israel with small barrages of missiles. Military analysts argue furiously - is this a deliberate strategy of steady attrition on Israel, or indicative of immense material constraints on Iran? Are the hits by Israel on real targets, or are they decoys? Does Iran wish to develop a nuke, or are they still hesitating? Will Iran and Yemen strike at US warships and bases in response to the attack, or will they merely continue striking only Israel?

And perhaps most importantly - will this conflict end diplomatically due to a lack of appetite for an extended war (to wit: not a peace but a 20 year armistice) or with Israel forced into major concessions including an end to their genocide? Or even with a total military/societal collapse of either side?


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[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 64 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (15 children)

Hexbear succumbing to braindead doomerism yet again

THE CEASEFIRE WILL NOT HOLD, Israeli fascist politics will not allow it to, as the damage is assessed and censorship is lifted the Israeli public will demand revenge. Obviously that will take the form of more massacres against Palestinians but everyone including the zionists know it was Iran who bloodied Israel's nose, once the breath of relief is made the fury will re-emerge

Iran's public is beyond fury and the reformists are going to pay a massive electoral and social cost for their incompetence and capitulationism

The neoconservative didn't get what they wanted, what you think these people even understand the concept of backtracking, whoever in the Iranian military or establishment came up with the idea to attack the Qatar base is a genius, the neocons WILL NOT LET THAT GO UNPUNISHED

Everything points to another imperial miscalculation, I give it a week or two

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 26 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (4 children)

It doesn’t matter if the ceasefire holds or not. The very fact that Iran is agreeing to it means that Iran is no longer confident it can win a war of attrition, and basically have been defeated because they cannot control their skies. Or it shows that Iranian leadership has learned nothing and continues to negotiate with agreement incapable perfidious war criminals. Why are they “at the negotiating table” again? The “negotiation table” will be their Afghanistan.

They were just earlier talking about a 6 month or 2 year war. What happened to that? It was bullshit and they were just gonna give up the first moment their enemies felt like it? Oh you don’t want to fight anymore? Why don’t we both take a breather! This is like if Russia retreated 12 days into the SMO because Ukraine didn’t feel like fighting anymore and just pretended it was a tie.

So what if Israel breaks the ceasefire? Iran will rattle its sabers and shoot a couple missiles and agree to a new ceasefire (that also won’t last). They will rinse and repeat this salami slicing until Iran is a broken dysfunctional state, the Israelis get to control the pace, they get the opening blow and the final blow, they deal disproportionate damage and Iran does a symbolic response. The long term extrapolation of this is Israeli victory.

Iran had exhausted Israel’s interceptor supply, their AD is failing at way higher rates now. If Iran is able to continue firing ballistic volleys and simply chooses peace instead, they are dangerously stupid and naive and letting Israel restock to come back next week. If Iran is unable to continue to firing ballistic volleys, the war is lost already and Iran’s entire military strategy seems failed.

So basically Iran is fucked either way, either they are idiotic with no sense of preservation, or they fought and were defeated and have to bow out. Them agreeing to the ceasefire is confirmation of how fucked they are, as they wouldn’t agree to it otherwise

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 12 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

It doesn’t matter if the ceasefire holds or not. The very fact that Iran is agreeing to it means that Iran is no longer confident it can win a war of attrition

No all it signals is the reformist poltical elite want to go back to the status quo or they want to buy time, that's it

It doesn't tell us anything about Iran's capabilities, the desires of the military or public opinion

All this has confirmed is that liberals are liberals, well we already knew that so this can't be used as a ticket for doomerism

Also if Iran was as fucked as you claim, then A: they would've surrendered a week ago or B: after Trump dropped the bunker busters

Instead they launched missiles at Qatar, liberals are cowards they don't do last hurrahs, so obviously the reformists had some source confidence from which to draw on

Right now liberal programming has taken hold and we're in a "fuck around find out" stage for both sides, not a "oh my God! Everything's collapsing like Syria" stage

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago* (last edited 1 week ago) (1 children)

No all it signals is the reformist poltical elite want to go back to the status quo or they want to buy time, that's it

So the reformist political elite still have the power to do diplomacy and war strategy? Then Iran is fucked! Like I said, why are these perpetual losers still at the wheel? If Iran can’t get these fucks out of power then they cannot win any conflict.

It’s war. Let the military and IRGC hardliners call the shots, have the Supreme Leader assume more direct control and get a leash on the foreign ministry and the capitalists.

It doesn't tell us anything about Iran's capabilities, the desires of the military or public opinion

If Iran still has capabilities and refuses to exercise them and still shows restraint, their political leadership and strategists are massive failures and fuck ups. The public demands the hardline position and does not want a half ass unjust ceasefire. So why is the reformist leadership so out of touch?

All this has confirmed is that liberals are liberals, well we already knew that so this can't be used as a ticket for doomerism

It’s confirmed that Iran is still letting these Liberals run the show, and they are flooring the pedal off the cliff and nobody is stopping them.

[–] CyborgMarx@hexbear.net 15 points 1 week ago (1 children)

It doesn't matter at this point whether the reformists are fuck ups, their popularity is about to take a beating and the Israelis are going to deny them their liberal desires

But the Iranian military is still solid, the Iranian public is solid and the hardliners are winning poltical capital and all three now have some time to regroup and prepare

It's a hiccup that will pop Iran's hip into place

[–] Z_Poster365@hexbear.net 16 points 1 week ago

Reformists been taking straight Ls for years now. Nothing changes. They still keep doing it

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