Privacy

39583 readers

195 users here now

A place to discuss privacy and freedom in the digital world.

Privacy has become a very important issue in modern society, with companies and governments constantly abusing their power, more and more people are waking up to the importance of digital privacy.

In this community everyone is welcome to post links and discuss topics related to privacy.

Some Rules

Posting a link to a website containing tracking isn't great, if contents of the website are behind a paywall maybe copy them into the post
Don't promote proprietary software
Try to keep things on topic
If you have a question, please try searching for previous discussions, maybe it has already been answered
Reposts are fine, but should have at least a couple of weeks in between so that the post can reach a new audience
Be nice :)

Related communities

much thanks to @gary_host_laptop for the logo design :)

founded 5 years ago

MODERATORS

137

Germany urges Apple and Google to remove DeepSeek from app stores over EU privacy concerns (alternativeto.net)

submitted 1 week ago by Zerush@lemmy.ml to c/privacy@lemmy.ml

56 comments fedilink hide all child comments

you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 11 points 6 days ago (1 children)

You asked "which countries".

Countries and LLM model providers associated with those countries.

All openai data goes to the NSA
Online deepseek data goes to the CCP. Local models stay private.

You can't possibly believe China is not much much worse than the US.

When it comes to AI models, China is streets ahead in openness.

But if you are introducing other factors, ask an Iranian what they prefer; money from China or bombs from the US and vassal states?

The only people believing that Americans are superior in everything are Americans.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org -3 points 6 days ago (1 children)

When it comes to AI models, China is streets ahead in openness.

No one was talking about openness, we were talking about data collection.

All openai data goes to the NSA

Online deepseek data goes to the CCP. Local models stay private.

You're comparing online models with local models. Local OpenAI models are also private.

The only people believing that Americans are superior in everything are Americans.

Good thing no one said that. It's not just America either. Most countries are significantly more free than China (and Russia and North Korea), and if you don't believe that, you need to open your eyes.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago* (last edited 6 days ago) (1 children)

No one was talking about openness, we were talking about data collection.

The only way to ensure no data collection is to run locally, which requires openness.

You're comparing online models with local models.

Correct

Local OpenAI models are also private.

They don't exist, and privacy cannot be guaranteed.

Good thing no one said that. It's not just America either.

So you do think that.

Most countries are significantly more free than China (and Russia and North Korea),

The word used was "worse" which is highly subjective.

and if you don't believe that, you need to open your eyes.

Residents of "the land of the free" don't understand irony.

[–] Ulrich@feddit.org -4 points 6 days ago (1 children)

Okay at this point its pretty clear you have no intention of good faith discussion and want to constantly redirect the conversation to a strawman argument so I'm going to bail.

[–] Knock_Knock_Lemmy_In@lemmy.world 3 points 6 days ago

Dude, you are the one inserting words like "freedom" trying to slide the conversation.

China is not worse , principally because worse is unmeasurable.