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[โ€“] tastemyglaive@lemmy.ml -4 points 3 days ago (16 children)

Lol of course you think it's Russian infiltration that's preventing you from taking advantage of solar and wind & not the US, which just got you utterly dependent on its natural gas shipments by increasing the cost of the Russian oil Europe still buys through secondary countries (oil is incredibly easy to launder as it is just grades of hydrocarbons lmfao)

Maybe you should consider what political forces in Europe are aligned against the chief producer of solar and wind technology (China) and whether they were createf by the Russian infiltration your ruling class orders you to attribute all of your problems to (you dutifully comply)

[โ€“] federalreverse@feddit.org 3 points 3 days ago* (last edited 3 days ago) (15 children)

Lol of course you think it's Russian infiltration

Yeah, lol of course I think that. I watched as Russia tried to pressure Germany with fossil gas, first by running Gazprom Germania's gas storage low in the winter of 2021/2022, then by progressively cutting off gas flow in the Nord Stream pipelines over the first half of 2022. These pipelines being blown up finally put a hard stop on these tactics, thankfully.

And yeah, lol of course I think that, knowing that various high-ranking CDU/SPD politicians like Kretschmer spend a lot of time trying to popularize the idea of a reopening of Nord Stream while they provably get a lot of mail from Gazprom somehow; knowing that SPD politician Ralf Stegner met ominous Russian fossil executives; knowing that Afd provably gets money from Russia and various Afd politicians give interviews to Russian propaganda outlets; knowing that Afd and Bsw somehow use the same regional bank whose director is known for his friendliness to the Russian regime.

And no, Germany is not mortally dependent on US LNG. LNG as a whole is just the last 10% or so of fossil gas imports in Germany. If our absurdist new government wasn't quite as irrationally focused on increasing our dependence on fossil gas, we could easily wean ourselves off that in the near future; we already reduced fossil gas usage by 20% in the past three years. The countries we're now actually dependent on in terms of gas imports are Norway and the Netherlands.

None of that is to say that there's no influence from US private actors. KKR (an investor in Germany's largest right-wing publishing house) and Black Rock (former employer of the new chancellor) certainly are major factors. There are also internal strictly domestic factors, such as BASF and Bayer who really like fossil stuff too. In other words, there certainly are colluding fossip interests here; but that doesn't let Russia off the hook.

[โ€“] tastemyglaive@lemmy.ml 0 points 3 days ago (2 children)

You have failed at every level of basic research here lmao Russia was German's largest provider of all kinds of fossil fuel sources, and what country do you guess is the second largest? Trying to downplay the US as being "only the largest provider of energy" when the prior one had been bringing in three times as much. I mean let's just not talk about prices at all right? Once we get into prices this is going to be a very bad look for you.

It would quite literally be in Russia's best interest to have bilateral economic agreements with Germany increasing industrial capacity, geographically these neighboring regions have immense possibilities in rail transit networks for tourism and trade, and this whole division between them suits only Wall St, Brussels, London etc, it's not in the national interest of Germany at all but the ruling class interest. So I hope that pretending evil spies and not the entire political and business leadership of Germany sold out the green revolution helps you sleep at night. Don't forget to keep the heat down this winter could be even pricier. That's not the issue - not being able to make cars and solar panels competitively is the issue

[โ€“] federalreverse@feddit.org 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago) (1 children)

I don't know what you're trying to tell me in the first paragraph, sorry. Sure, fossil energy prices went up since Russia started a war. They did go down again too, though, but perhaps not to 2019 levels.

And sure, there are things that may be in Russia's best interest. But are we really hoping that the weirdo who is in charge there will pursue them? Especially now, post-Covid isolation which apparently increased his imperial ambition. And no, I don't want to be in a Russian-dominated economic zone between "Lisbon and Vladivostok"; that sounds like societal regression.

[โ€“] tastemyglaive@lemmy.ml 1 points 2 days ago* (last edited 2 days ago)

Look if you're going to write fanfiction about Russia in every single reply it's just reinforcing stereotypes about the surly German mindset. Stop trying to make me interested in your elections, they don't fundamentally change the financial relationship between the US and Germany. That is the crux of the original point about the US anointing itself Germany's top energy provider by eliminating Russia. The people you are talking about cutting the US off would never do it, it's like talking about Europe rearming and becoming responsible for its military instead of the US, it's a media debacle without any substance. Adding this whole lesser evil angle where Putin is personally replacing your toilet paper with 2 ply doesn't add the ๐‘›๐‘ข๐‘Ž๐‘›๐‘๐‘’ that is intended when we're missing the core relationship between the US and Europe since WWII when it took over the colonial empires and established the modern international debt system.

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