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honestly it’s hard to beat Macs these days in this space for two reasons:
pricing is tough. sure, crypto is on its way out, but GPUs are still the platform of choice for most neural net workloads (outside of SoCs like Apple M-series). i built a PC in late 2024, and it’s easily worth twice what i paid for it.
Yeah,but I dont want to get locked into a proprietary OS or have to put a lot of effort into hacking it to run Linux.
The framework desktop has unified memory iirc, and that can obviously use any os
I didn't realize they were making desktops. I almost bought a laptop from them a few years ago but ended up finding an ASUS laptop that worked well with Linux and was significantly cheaper which fit my needs better for that. I'll check them out.
Yeah they have soldered ram and cpu but have stays halo so ig that's fine
So just glancing at the site, are these basically laptop CPU and RAM parts just packaged in a desktop form-factor case and that's why they're soldered? Seems like they also don't have much expansion capability much like a laptop such as only having a single PCI-E x4 slot with a proprietary connection interface, so I couldn't later add a graphics card for example. Unless, I'm just missing something, and if so please let me know.
Either way thanks for letting me know about the option.
The main benefit is the strix halo cpu uses unified memory, thats why it's soldered, not bc it uses laptop parts
Ok, so short, wide bus from CPU to memory? Makes sense. I didn't really mean the CPU so much as the main board is very laptop like. Very little expansion capabilities other than external connectors like audio, Ethernet, etc., but no ability to add functional or incremental upgrades like a GPU or an additional stick of memory respectively.
The point of the stays halo series is the unified memory, so an additional GPU wouldn't be very useful, no?
I haven’t looked into Asahi Linux in a while now, but I figured the experience would be pretty good by now. You don’t need to “hack” anything to get it to run. Last I read, there were just a few driver issues, but I haven’t looked into it in probably 2-3 years now.
Last time I checked it only runs well on M1 devices, with M2 being somewhat usable. M3 though M5 are a complete no-go unfortunately :(
The apple silicon is more energy efficient but the latest Intel and AMD CPUs deliver more processing power and can also share a significant amount of RAM to the GPU / AI components.
Depends what you want to do... For example I didn't get python whisper in a container to run on Mac in any way that can be called "performance" and I don't want my dev workflow to optimize for an OS I despise :D
well there’s your issue. i get not liking the OS, but actively crippling your project will cripple your project.
containers on macOS do kinda suck
That's sich a Mac answer it's unbelievable.
Describing "A project aimed to be agnostic of it's environment" as a design mistake and not a inherent flaw of the OS is... Just wow.
Remember in this thread it's about the pro and con of Macos as interference hardware. This is a major flaw which comes baked into the hardware. I tested it and find it an unacceptable limitation. It's important for others to know.
To state "containerization is the issue" though... Just wow.
Unfortunately containerisation on macos usually means running virtualized Linux, which of course is going to add overhead and cut off access to apple APIs and some hardware. So yep. There's plenty that runs natively.