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We work meaningful things for the love of it and/or with proper compensation for the not that interesting work that needs to be done.
All of that is possible and not even utopian in a sense of an absolute which can't be reached. And even in the case that a vision is truly impossible to reach the path towards it is useful.
We are simply not equipped mentally, physically, in any way for working like we currently do.
Even when most work should be done in four hour shifts for three days a week per person, plenty of people could be freed to just be creative for higher purposes. Living shouldn't be a paid subscription snd it doesn't need to be. Everyone's living is already possible to provide. Not even a pipedream.
Communes do happen and exist but let's be realistic. Lifting up your life and having the capital to go exit is not possible for even the most.
It can depressing but it also needs to be acknowledged to change the situation.
I can understand that. 40+ hour workweeks are usually not needed, except in the case of engineering where you do need that amount of work and expertise.
The issue I have with this sort of thinking is everyone thinks everything can just be free. Even if we all suddenly have time to explore our creative outlets, everyone's stuff is going to be different. What if my skill is welding? Well, now you still need the welder factory, welding wire factory which also involves copper mining , and you have the argon gas supplier and bottling plants AND all the work and time to ship those things across the world. Same can be said for anything, unless you only want to code, then I suppose 1 laptop is all you'd feasibly need forever.
Unless you are saying we should eat dirt and live in communist blocs. Which I'm sure youre not, but people would have to literally give up everything to live like you are describing.
I dont think people realize how much work actually goes into sustaining this world and making things you like. You like books, and computers right? Well, without labor to produce and ship those, they won't exist. And its not possible to give every person working in a printing factory a house and a car and enough money to feed a family, even if we eat the rich.
It just seems anytime someone brings up this "I dont wanna work, we aren't made for working!!" It sounds like a 12 year olds take on the world, who has never worked a job and doesn't know how everything you use daily is made.
Please dont misconstrue that I support billionaire ownership of everything or their existence. I definitely do not. I dont support government ownership of things either. However, even if all of that was destroyed, someone has to be in charge, and people would still need to do work.
I would love to see an actual solution presented against my argument, but I never have. Its just tough to live, really.
Not even engineering has some superhuman abilities or a need for excess. It's widely known that 3-4, sometimes up to 6 are the hours humans are capable of useful work before the quality quickly deteriorates and recovery suffers. People working those hours are only benefiting the networks trafficking children in Bahamas, and humans are kept tired and conforming.
You can have everything in your welding pipeline with humane conditions. There is no need to eat dirt. There's enough food for all easily.
Just cutting off excess slavery version of work and labor doesn't make it all go away.
Then I agree. Theres no reason every person shouldnt be all for socialism.