this post was submitted on 15 Jun 2026
354 points (100.0% liked)

Technology

85461 readers
4618 users here now

This is a most excellent place for technology news and articles.


Our Rules


  1. Follow the lemmy.world rules.
  2. Only tech related news or articles.
  3. Be excellent to each other!
  4. Mod approved content bots can post up to 10 articles per day.
  5. Threads asking for personal tech support may be deleted.
  6. Politics threads may be removed.
  7. No memes allowed as posts, OK to post as comments.
  8. Only approved bots from the list below, this includes using AI responses and summaries. To ask if your bot can be added please contact a mod.
  9. Check for duplicates before posting, duplicates may be removed
  10. Accounts 7 days and younger will have their posts automatically removed.

Approved Bots


founded 3 years ago
MODERATORS
you are viewing a single comment's thread
view the rest of the comments
[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 25 points 7 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago) (2 children)

Tor, i2p if you still have access to TCP and reticulum to bypass TCP entirely.

Edit: I should have said bypass TCP/IP because you need centralized infrastructure to use TCP IP because of the border gateway protocol and routing.

With Reticulum, you self-assign a destination hash using your public and private key pair and then announce that destination hash over whatever connection to the Reticulum network you happen to have. Whether it be Bluetooth, LORA, TCP/IP, serial cable, whatever.

[–] QuandaleDingle@lemmy.world 10 points 6 hours ago* (last edited 6 hours ago) (2 children)

ELI5, why bypass TCP? I'm looking this up, but an answer might help me and others understand this better. :D

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 9 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

The big problem with TCP IP is that it requires being assigned IP addresses and the border gateway protocol and other such infrastructure, which is not usable as an individual.

In Reticulum, you self-assign a destination address using your public and private keys and then announce that that service is available to the rest of the network through whatever connection you happen to have to the rest of the network.

[–] QuandaleDingle@lemmy.world 4 points 5 hours ago (1 children)

Ok, that sounds brilliant! Thank you! :)

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 7 points 4 hours ago (1 children)

Yeah, it's actually pretty badass.

I think once the user experience gets simplified down, Reticulum will be an amazing piece of technology. But right now, it's just not very user-friendly with the user experience.

I can use it, and I bet you can use it, but I don't know if my mom would be able to use it right now, as is.

[–] QuandaleDingle@lemmy.world 3 points 4 hours ago

I'm convinced. I'll check it out. :)

[–] AmbitiousProcess@piefed.social 9 points 6 hours ago (2 children)

It's not really a "you need to bypass TCP" and more of a "TCP traffic could be censored"... just like UDP, DNS, or really any other kind of networked traffic.

Reticulum isn't necessarily immune to this, it just supports a variety of protocols as a mesh network, so TCP isn't something who's failure would make the network impossible to use (but good luck accessing any traditional website without TCP).

For example, you might be able to communicate from your Android phone running a Reticulum-compatible app to a separate nearby device over Bluetooth, then that device broadcasts a signal over LoRa, which hits someone else's LoRa-compatible radio, which then connects over a USB-C cable to their laptop, which is plugged into their router, which can then send the traffic over TCP, where it's picked up by someone elsewhere using the internet. If TCP traffic is blocked, say, by their local government, maybe their LoRa radio just broadcasts to another LoRa radio, and another, and another, etc, until enough of them chained together is able to reach the recipient. Hence, TCP wouldn't strictly be required, thus preventing censorship of Reticulum through blocking TCP connections. (though this would still reduce how many ways you could theoretically get to people, as if that person ONLY has access to TCP as the start of their connection to the mesh, they'd be cut off)

Of course, the government could also try jamming radio signals, then making LoRa useless, but if they do that and don't block TCP traffic, then you still have options.

Unfortunately, I wouldn't call Reticulum an internet replacement, nor do I think it could ever be without still relying on the kind of large-scale, high-throughput infrastructure we have for the internet today. It just doesn't have enough bandwidth, and it's difficult to run anything requiring low latency if every connection requires hopping through a thousand peers to get to someone on the other side of the planet who, say, wants to play the same online game as you.

[–] shortwavesurfer@lemmy.zip 5 points 5 hours ago* (last edited 5 hours ago)

If I remember the documentation properly, Reticulum is capable of 40 mbps maximum throughput speed. That's over Ethernet or serial links or high-speed wireless networks such as Wi-Fi.

Over LoRa you get quite bandwidth constrained, but you also have a lot of resiliency.

With that said, you can have high bandwidth, but high latency as well because of needing to hop multiple piers to get to your destination.

Once you make the connection though, you can download at a pretty decent clip if all the nodes in the middle can support that bandwidth transfer.

Edit: I should already mention that there is a way to access HTTP webpages over reticulum. Look up rserver and meshbrowser. The webpage is accessed like http://destinationhash/, similar to http://longtoraddress.onion/. Since reticulum is end-to-end encrypted, there's no need to have HTTPS.

[–] QuandaleDingle@lemmy.world 1 points 4 hours ago

I see, thank you. :)

[–] 4am@lemmy.zip 0 points 4 hours ago

When your current hardware fails and the only devices you are allowed to purchase anymore are walled garden tablets?

How will you communicate however you want then? Will Elon make a Tor client available on xAI cloud? Will Anthropic’s store have I2P?

Do you think Microsoft gives a FUCK about Meshtastic? Or Linux?

We dared to speak out against our overlords and now they are taking the toys away if we do not stop them.